My Atrophy Symptoms: Need Input

SakuraLover

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Hello, I'm new here and have a long history of symptoms, that seem to be changing in the last few months. I'm hoping to get some input from people and see what you guys think. I'll try to keep this as succinct as possible. Almost 2 years ago, I started to notice very mild atrophy in the muscle between my thumb and forefinger of my left hand. Didn't think anything of it as I didn't feel any effects functionally at all. As time went on, the atrophy got worse, very slowly. I don't remember feeling any other symptoms at all, only the atrophy.Last year, I started feeling very infrequent twitches in my legs, usually after a lot of walking or running. In January 2012, I started to feel some odd fatigue/weakness in my right hand. Nothing major, just a little weird lifting things, especially in awkward positions. But I figured I should have it checked out, given the stuff already going on in my left hand.I saw a neurologist, very reputable, who examined me and found the atrophy and weakness on the left but not on the right. I had some EMGs done and there were signs of ulnar neuropathy left more than right. Got an MRI of my elbow and sure enough, the ulnar nerve was inflamed and thickened. My symptoms were pretty consistent with ulnar neuropathy too. I was treating it as such, and symptoms improved. However, in the last 6 months I have been feeling other symptoms that seem to be changing each month. Here's a rundown:- Twitching has gradually spread all over the place. Face, tongue, arms, legs, feet. Some spots twitch more than others, like my right foot/calf, right tricep/forearm, and left index finger. Some days are worse than others, seemingly random.-Intermittent feelings of muscle fatigue that changes from week to week, sometimes day to day. I may do a very simple task that feels exhausting, but then the same day lift weights and I'm fine. However, my body feels EXHAUSTED the day after a workout. I should mention my working out has severely declined over the last 8 months or so for work reasons.- Very mild and infrequent cramping in my hands and front shoulders/pecs- Swallowing large bites, especially dry foods, feels "different," no choking or getting stuck or anything, just a little different going down. Liquids are fine. Chewing sometimes feels fatiguing in my jaw and tongue.- Lips feel fatigued when talking a lot, kissing, or whistling. Some days there is this tight feeling around my mouth like it needs to stretch.- Lots of tingling in hands and feet. Mostly positionally dependent, but not always for my feet. I'm very sensitive to positions, however.- At times I cannot take a full satisfying breath due to a feeling of tightness in my ribs. This was a lot worse a month ago, but has improved. No shortness of breath with exertion. - Strange feeling that my toes are not helping me walk or balance. My feet slide out behind me a little if I walk on a smooth floor. No actual loss of balance, just feels a little wobbly as the toes feel weak. Right foot gets tired when walking/running.- Lots of general achyness, nerve type pain on occasion.I told the first neuro about all this, and after second clinical exam, I had no actual clinical signs. She suggested a combo of anxiety and BFS superimposed over ulnar neuropathy. She said there is no way I would have atrophy there for 2 years and have no other actual weakness in my hand let alone the rest of my body and have it be something sinister. I saw a second neuro, who EMG'd and NCV'd everything including my tongue, arms, and legs, and told me the same thing. The only positive results show up in my ulnar nerve. I guess my questions are:1) Does anyone else here have a story like this (ie, nerve pathology on top of BFS)?2) Do those other symptoms I listed outside the left hand sound familiar to you guys?I'm still freaking out a bit. Had lots of bloodwork done and there are some things popping up, possible Celiac's, CRP and ANA values are positive, B12 and Vitamin D issues. Every medical person I've spoken to thus far is telling me to relax, but I'm having a hard time. Any and all thought are greatly appreciated, thank you so much.Steve
 
Hi Steve,looks like I am again on duty today :) (it is because I am working without dayoffs and spend 14 hours a day in the net).Coming back to your issue: what I do know is that usually ulnar neuropaty results in certain atrophy because the neuro axon is not doing its work properly due to entrapment and inflammation. And this is the reason why people with ulnar or carpal syndromes are still even in our days of ENMG etc. could be wrongly diagnosed with MND onset. Just because the clinical picture is similar. However ulnar neuropathy is still reversible (in most cases, as far as I know) by means of physio therapy (including shock waves application which is quite new) or sometimes in severe cases with surgery. And it does not affect brain motor neurons, as ALS.There is no direct link, as far as I know, between BFS and ulnar/carpal neuropaties, except maybe the fact that the last is related often to typing for hours, and this means office work and stress, while stress is definitely one of BFS provoking factors.All the symptomes you describe in your list fit quite well into BFS and anxiety picture. if you get some search, you will find all of them here. For me it looks like swallowing and breathing problems are prominently related to anxiety (because I am a GAD sufferer and suffer both kinds of that crap for years), all the rest seem to look like typical sensory and fatigue issues assosiated with BFS. There are also people here who share your feeling of walking on unstable ground.Widespread twitches, sometimes in several points at the same time, are ususlly assosiated with benign syndromes. Anyway, without clinical weakness no twitches could be considered as sinister sign.There are also people here with neuropaties combined with BFS and I am sure they woudl respond to your post in a more experienced way that i did.regardsYulia
 
It's interesting what BFS does to our brains. I've often theorized that the hyper-focus on **S and other NMD's is just as much a symptom of BFS as are fasciculations, tremors, perceived weakness, etc. In fact, in the Wikipedia article about BFS, it specifically mentions that BFS sufferers often fear **S despite being told that their condition is benign. The irony of your post is that you have sustained a random injury; one that is fairly common, and yet, you are wondering if anyone else with BFS has also experienced the same scenario. It would be akin to spraining your ankle, then asking if anyone ever had a sprained ankle just before their presentation with BFS. One could argue that neuropathy mimicks some aspects of NMD, but we could also make a case for a sprained ankle being related to clinical weakness. And then, because we are not neurologists, and perhaps because we are also anxious, we may be inclined to draw conclusions and connect dots that really have no business being connected, whatsoever. It's like saying, "I've had a glass of milk, and I've eaten ice cream, so therefore, I've experienced a milkshake." Yeh, no. Fascics without clinical weakness are as insignificant as neuropathy without clinical signs. Ice cream alone is just ice cream, and milk is just milk. Mmmm....Gonna get me a milkshake, right about now. :)You are well, Steve. No worries. Blessings, Sue
 
Hello Guys,Thanks so much for replying. I do believe what I'm experiencing fits the BFS bill. All of these self perceived symptoms that no one else can find. The only thing that worries me at this point is that things seem to be adding on each month. However, these things wax and wane and don't seem to worsen. In fact, the hand issues did seem to improve after some treatment. My onset and severity of symptoms don't match the dreaded you know what.It's funny what you say about connecting dots, I've used that exact phrase numerous times throughout this experience. It's very true because once you are afraid you immediately fit everything you feel into the context of a disease. I had a nasal voice for about a week and became terrified, only to use Flonase for three days and have it disappear. Unreal!Steve
 
But this is exactly what is going with BFS - yiu never have all bunch at once but this month twitches, then it might be cramps, aches, pwerceived weakness, GERD (usually taken for bulbar issues), stiffness, whatever - but every month, week or day something new and scary. For me this site is a great help exactly because I have learned that BFS is like a circus - every period there is new scary show :).By the way I've got yesterday a sudden flareup of that well known breathing probelm - when you are yawning for hours and still could not breath enough - a kind of lung hiccup - I think just because I wrote to you about this a few days ago here. Happy am I that I was used to have that falerups even in childhood!
 
Hi I too have neuropathy of the ulnar nerve with the little fingers unable to straighten and the forefinger and middle finger bending inwards in BOTH hands. I started 5 years ago with neuropathy during alpha interferon and it has slowly progressed since then. But my massive fasciculations and huge cramping has always been in my legs especially my calves. Am on 2400 mg gabapentin 60 mg baclofen and it's ok for symptom relief during the day as long as I don't do to much. Last visit last week to National Hospital for neurology. He tried to put all the symptoms down to Fibromyalgia ignoring Ehers-Danlos Type III (hypermobility) in every single joint in my body. He took a look at my hands and inability to grip. Another look at the wasting of my calf muscle and the acquired high arch with turning outward of my foot meaning I walk on the outside of it and decided he has to keep an eye on me. Next appointment 4 months instead of 10.Besides all these - I was wondering if anyone else as raised creatine kinase and c-reactive protein as well as. immunoglobulins.to my GP and me it does not sound like cramp fasciculation syndromeAny advice out there?symptoms worsened about 7months ago
 
Hi Momo,What is the timeline for the onset of each of these problems? When did you notice the calf atrophy/arch changes?While I have heard of people having elevated CPK sometimes with BFS, CRP is typically a marker for inflammation. Don't know about the immunoglobulins.I would say 2 things: first, things can be superimposed over one another and not all symptoms and findings fit into the same constellation. Second, I do not think it is possible for BFS to be causing all of these things. Have you had any imaging or EMGs? Other symptoms elsewhere?-Steve
 
Yes Ulnar neuropathy and carpal tunnel in both arms, and now spondylosis compressing the nerves at the roots. I can't win there can I? I had operations for the Ulnar neuropathy but the neck problems are now putting me back to square one.I don't think there is any particular link to BFS just the luck of the draw, in that neuropathies are joint related rather than muscle related, although of course the muscles do respond to being continually pinched with local inflammation, for which I take Ibuprofen when it gets bad, usually when I have been working too hard. In other words I have not let it stop me doing anything I enjoy doing.
 
"1) Does anyone else here have a story like this (ie, nerve pathology on top of BFS)?"Hello Steve, I have BFS for almost one year and also have associated problems with the ulnar nerve and neuropathy. First a lot of tingling and transient pain in the pinky fingers. In the last month I started having constant pain in the wrist and elbow of my right arm. Exams showed that it is not tendonitis, but rather a nerve issue. Transient pain is starting to show in other places (feet, knees, hip, legs...) and I scheduled a rheumatologist to discuss that. Maybe BFS leaves the nerves “irritated” and they get inflamed easily. I also have exercise intolerance and my legs and arms feel exhausted after little effort.
 
BFS so far as I am aware is not progressive, however neuropathy can be. I am getting used to it. I used to lose sleep because of anxiety (What a waste) now I lose sleep because of pain. But for all that, give me time and I am not in bad condition, however it just takes so much longer to get going in these latter days. I have an allotment to maintain, and the worst weather imaginable this year. Am I downhearted?. Well I have to say when my spinach and parsley was beaten down by a hailstorm, and I saw the slugs moving again, I can say it is the hard times of old England, in old England very hard times.Oh well if that Spinach survives until I can harvest it, I will be all right, Popeye the Sailor Man and all that :)
 
Hello PlayfulPants, “I used to lose sleep because of anxiety (What a waste) now I lose sleep because of pain”Funny you mention that because this night was the first one I couldn’t sleep well because of the pain (both elbows burning). It is getting worse… :( Last month I was on ibuprofen for a week and it helped, but I can’t take this medicine forever. Did the operations you had for the ulnar neuropathy solved the problem?
 

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