Help for Chronic Fear, Depression, and Hopelessness

JerseyDreamer

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I know members are probably sick of my fear but I really need help from you vets. Have hit the lowest of all lows. . . scared, depressed, hopeless. I am sure in the last year, I have asked these questions in some form or another but these are the worries that are killing me like a slow death. Please remember that the big visible twitches are new to me only had eyelid and a very occasional random one in the last year. But now I have big visible ones that I can feel so it is almost as if I am new to this with new symptoms that I believe are worrisome for ALS. -If cramps/burning is in both legs/feet is that a good sign?-Have had my most alarming twitches on both sides, upper arm, ankle, side of knee, now both eyelids and feet.-quivering in both legs and internal tremors upper right arm and right leg-had a clean emg in june, saw the neurologist (not an als specialist) this past monday who did my emg said i was fine-started a low dose of paxil a 9 days agoPlease, please please anyone that feels like they can offer reassurance, it would be so welcome. Like I said, I know I am getting tiresome but giving a cry for help.
 
Colin, I am not sure about that. I have seen many people like myself, when new symptoms arise as have mine, look for reassurance. Yes, I am taking a long time but was pretty good as many could attest before I started with this cramping and visible twitches. Isn't that what the chat room is about? People having a bad day, a new fear, just looking for someone to say something comforting as a reminder?
 
I know how you feel JerseyDreamer. Some days you may feel like you have finally conquered your fear, then bam, another symptom comes along and sets you back.I started off with some sensory issues and minimal twitching. Then I had more twitching all over the place with pain coming and taking over. Like you, I am now experiencing more cramping in my hands, calves, thighs, and sometimes feet. Sometimes it feels like a burning, pulling sensation in my legs where I feel like I am going to fall. I pretty much have all of the symptoms you describe plus more. I've also had big twitches, one's that you can see under your jeans. The location of your twitches doesn't signify anything different or bad, it just shows how you can twitch in any voluntary muscle group. The randomness of your symptoms is something you should take comfort in. When I went to see the neurologist and told him about all of my symptoms, the ones just like yours, he told me that they were so random that they didn't point to any of the neurological diseases we fear. If you read as many of the old threads I have, you will notice kind of the same thing, so many different symptoms point away from the big neuro diseases because they don't happen like that. Plus you've had all of those tests, rest assured in that and the statistics that make it pretty much nil that you have the scary stuff.Hope you feel better soon.Jay
 
Jay, thank you so much for your kind, considerate message. That is exactly how I feel and what I mean. . thank you for understanding. There have been so many more good days than bad for me but I guess it appears as if there are more since when I am having a bad day, I come here. Your words are a reminder of what I should know deep down but forget in a state of panic when a new symptom arises. Contrary to what others think, the reminders are so helpful even if it offers relief for a short amount of time. I hope and pray that each time brings me closer to what so many others have reached and that is peace in knowing that this is not fatal. All the best,Daryl
 
Daryl, there are 4000 members here all complaining about visible twitches, and i guarantee that 99.99% have not had as many neuro clinical's as you. All the reassurance you need is the clean emg, and numerous clean clinicals or to read about the previous stories. For some reason you are choosing not to believe the 8 or 9 different times a neuro has told you "this is not ALS."
 
Daryl,Oh I know that place too well. I too was having a couple of good weeks and wasn't letting the fear get the best of me. All of a sudden my leg started giving me problems and my knee gave out. It sent me back into a dark place, all of the statistics and doctors visits went out the window. I came here and made a post about how fearful I was and I too was seeking reassurance during my time of need.I think this board had three types of people. People who have completely accepted the benign nature of this cr@p, those who are in a complete state of panic and anxiety over it, and people who like their symptoms, have a wax and waning of accepting it and fearing it. I think you and I fall into that latter category, so don't worry about being alone. Jay
 
Well thank you, I think? But again, maybe I am wrong but I don't think I am the only one with medical anxiety that has doubting days? This community, I thought, was here to support each other on doubting days and allow everyone to feel comfortable, not embarrassed or reprimanded and safe saying things we would rather not share with our friends or spouses for having what so many of us have which is anxiety. Also, I believe there have been many others with multiple doctor visits for reassurance. My multiple doctors were all in a course of a few months when this all began. Since then, I have seen one, with whom I follow up every few months and just recently followed up with the dr. that did my emg. Believe me, I have perused posts here over and over again and I know that I am not alone. Not feeling so comfortable and safe anymore. . .
 
Jay just noticed your second post. Your kindness is completely appreciated. The post that immediately followed yours was not meant for you. Thank you for reminding me that there are so many more compassionate and understanding people here than not. Hopefully, we will get to the better category together.
 
One of the things I have always said about this board is that reassurance should be considered a four letter word. Because it really doesn't help. All it does in the long run is make you less able to be able to reassure yourself. It is sort of like when you get a phone with automatic spell check. If the phone is constantly fixing your spelling mistakes for you, pretty soon you lose the ability (or even the initiative) to learn spelling yourself. And pretty soon you wind up with a generation of grown adults who are unable to pass a 3rd grade spelling test.To me, that is reassurance. That is reassurance in a nutshell. Yes I understand why people might need it at first. And I understand why people might backslide and eventually need it again. But at a certain point you sort of have to learn to be able to reassure yourself. Otherwise you are never going to conquer BFS. You are going to be one of the lost ones who is here for 10 years and is begging someone for reassurance every week for 10 years. And meanwhile they just lost a decade off their life that they could have spent enjoying had they learned some mental skills to be able to reassure themselves when something new popped up and scared them.Again, this isn't to say that anyone here has worn out their welcome, or that anyone isn't wanted here or doesn't belong. We all have BFS, we are all in the same boat. What I am saying is try to understand why veterans are hesitant to post the exact same answers to the exact same people over and over and over. We aren't doing it to be mean, we are doing it because that's how you teach a kid how to swim or how to ride a bike. Eventually you have to let go of them and let them learn to do it for themselves. Otherwise you aren't helping them, all you are doing is enabling them. You are teaching them that they never have to do anything for themselves, you are teaching them they will always need others to do it for them. And that is NOT how a newbie is ever going to beat BFS.Again, no one here is mean or cruel or lacks compassion or tries to hurt anyone else. We respond to posts the way that we do because that is how we are going to help people. For me personally, my goal is to not let newbies develop into constant reassurance seekers. I think that is the worst thing I could do to a person.
 
I understand and sincerely and respectfully get what you are saying but as a parent of three, I am very well aware that each one "learned how to swim/ride a bike" when they were ready and it wasn't I, the parent, that determined when they were ready or else they would have drowned/fallen. Some take longer than others.
 
Daryl, I would not say that having a cramps anywhere is a GOOD sign (because it is definitely at least unpleasant) but I can tell you I am in the same *beep* right now and a bunch o our fellows are in it too. Well, having them widespead migh be a differentiating from ALS, so in that case it might be a good sign.Paxil might make you feeling worse in terms of anxiety for first 2-3 weeks, you should know about that dark window of SSRI and cope and live and in 3d-4th week you would feel better. Scientists did some investigations and found that those bad weeks are spent for fine changes in brain biochemistry to support further positive effect.
 
Daryl, The one thing I have noticed in your recent posts is your defensiveness. You post that you have 'overstayed' your welcome, because no one has responded to your posts, then when people respond to your posts you don't seem to like the majority of responses. I find it hard to have sympathy for most people who have multiple neurologist appointments, with 2 exceptions, 2 good friends who like me, read way more than they should have. I waited 8 months for an emg and a clinical, you have had 9 or so. You have to ask yourself what will it take to get over your Als fear? Constant reassurance cannot and does not work. I visited the chat room daily for 6 months or so, the people there were great, but I realized that the constant 'this is not Als' and reassurance stopped working for me, there was only so many times i could ask the same questions and get the same answers, after talking about this with a good friend, I stopped going, and my Anxiety decreased day by day. why not believe your neurologist who spent more than 12 years in school to get where he is today? Do you think you know more than he does? You know your symptoms are benign. Cut the umbilical cord, tone down the reassurance day by day and you'll get to the point where you want need any.
 
Daryl,I have to agree with Mario Mangler and GeoffWab, both of whom reiterate the position that reassurance seeking, which is totally natural in moderation, becomes positively counter-productive and even downright harmful when it is repeated and becomes chronic.After my first clinical and EMG, I was perfectly happy with the diagnosis until, bizarrely enough, I joined the chatroom and, a little later, this board. Because it was in those places that, among all of the supportive posts, I first came across people who were doubting the results of their neurological tests. Still, this didn't deter me from hanging around the chat, and this board, because I reckoned that the reassurance I got there actually outweighed the anxiety that was often provoked by reading posts from vets of several years standing who were STILL doubting their original diagnoses. Chat, and the board, became a kind of 'bubble' where I could escape that anxiety. But I gradually realised that the anxiety that I was escaping from was coming FROM the very same place as the 'bubble' that I was escaping TO. In the end, I realised that this was a vicious cycle: I was going there for reassurance, getting more anxious in the process, and then looking for more and more reassurance as a result.As GeoffWab says, the people in chat were very helpful, and they have the best of intentions. But if you go there, you can't avoid the drip-drip-drip effect of people coming in with their doubts and anxieties, their ALSphobia and their other health-related complexes, and try as hard as you might to avoid these, if you're of a certain constitution they are bound to take their toll. That is when I decided that it would be better to try to go it alone, and that while my anxiety might not decrease dramatically, at least it would not be ramped up every few days by the fears of a 'newbie' or, worse still, the doubts of a 'vet'.That is why I think that chatrooms and boards are of really limited use, chiefly because they keep us focused (a) on our selves, which is never a good thing when we are disposed to health anxiety; and (b) on all of the negatives that come with BFS, most importantly this terrible fear of the sinister and the fatal.It cannot be without relevance, Daryl, that a number of people have left the boards and the chat on the advice of their neurologists and therapists, who realise that while these places are not without their uses, for some people - like you and I who crave constant reassurance - they ultimately do much more harm than they do good.
 
Daryl, you have to fight and fight hard. When my anxiety was at its highest, every minute of the day was a struggle. Stop reading information about *LS and focus on other things in your life. Once you start changing your focus, you will realize that when you are not thinking about dying of a disease, you are functioning just fine. Give the meds a chance to kick in and start enjoying things. I could kick myself for how much time I wasted worrying, crying, etc. Vent here anytime. People here have been through it. You have had a lot of reassurance from your Dr's, so think of that every time you get a new symptom. Something new does not automatically mean its bad. Hang in there.
 

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