Cause and Effect of BFS on Liver

melyssa221

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if you could think of one thing that caused your BFS what would it be?

for me.... years of massive alcohol consumption damaged my liver and triggered an effect to my peripheral nervous system. my neurologist agrees with me.. that theres a cause and effect relationship betweeen liver dysfunction and BFS. to this day my liver function tests are still abnormal. everything else ive been tested for came back negative.

and you?
 
When my doc did blood tests at the start of all this she noted that my liver function tests were slightly elevated but she said nothing to be too concerned over. How elevated were yours? I am 31 now and dont drink very much but from 18 till about 5 years ago I was a bit of a binge drinker and took quite a few drugs too. My (suspected) BFS was I think triggered by stress and fatigue but I cant help but wonder if this was just the catalist and trigger in a more underlying liver issue.
 
Cipro....which is now known, according to the FDA, to cause longterm (sometimes permanent) peripheral neuropathy in some people.

Gary
 
Well, I started running six months prior to the twitching so I guess I'd say running coupled with a period of high stress...

Also took Cipro...

Shelley
 
wow! cipro seems to be a big one.....

maisy when i first went to the doctor for this twitching my alt was 44 and nothing was said until 2 months later went my bfs was at its worse and i really thought i was going to die my alt was at 235,, then over 2 years it lingered around 60 now im down to a 38... you said you dont drink and your alt is 31??? if you dont take meds or drink,, its still normal high. but if you dont drink or take meds and your 18 thats kinda weird that its that high. my wife for example drinks and her alt is a 16.. i wouldnt worry its still in the normal range...it seems that alot of bfsers have slightly elevated liver enzymes,, some may have it but were blown off by the doctors cause all labs have different ranges of normal


anybody else.........? cipro?
 
Had a hepatitus B immunization and got a viral infection
Second dose of hepatitus B and another viral infection.....did not get the third dose, was too scared. So blame it on the shot, but maybe it was the viral infection after getting both doses of the immunization.
My mother got Mysthenia Gravis after a flu shot over 30 years ago.....so who knows. I'll NEVER get another shot unless it's life or death!!!
Amy
 
For me - I lean strongly toward poor internal regulation of endocrine/hormonal function.

In essence, if you look at everyones' theories above, it is apparent that everything - stress, metabolic issues (poor liver function), illness/virus, rigorous exercise/training, impact of certain toxins/drugs on the body, etc. (except for direct nerve damage, which is hard for me to buy, as none of the diagnostics on our nerve function EVER come back irregular, but I'd never say never) all of it has a direct cause and effect on the endocrine system.

Endocrinology and the myriad of bodily systems, chemicals, physiological functions and the like that are associated with that field is SO complex and SO poorly understood by medicine at large, that we are fighting an uphill battle if we are suffering from anything other than diabetes and/or thyroid disease. And even those are not so well understood and/or managed. Do you realize how common it is for diabetics to suffer from severe and wide-ranging NEUROLOGICAL and other effects (such as parasthesia, numbness, anciliarry nerve damage, etc.)? Likewise, how thyroid conditions cause anxiety, pain, twitching, fatigue, cramps, etc.? So for every area we do know about, consider how many others we don't - cortisol, DHEA, testosterone, epinephrine, norepinephrine, etc. etc. etc. Do you know there is a whole subculture of post-menopausal and PCOS women out there (all over the internet), who are TWITCHING away and blaming it on hormones and menopause, not even AWARE that BFS exists? And how many of us aren't even aware that twitching and fatigue are COMMONLY REPORTED symptoms of these conditions? What's particularly interesting to me is that it is SO rare for any of us that race off to neuros to get tested EVER have a truly "abnormal" result on the gold standard neurological tests, yet very few if any have had cortisol or a full hormone panel done, and we wouldn't even think of seeing an endocrinologist for this unless we suspect thyroid problems. Yet even with that small subset of us, I've seen MANY ON HERE get abnormal thyroid results, high blood pressure, abnormal liver enzymes, abnormal ANA (which is much more rheumatic, but has endocrine associations) and the like...of course, none of this means much to a neuro, because these findings do not point to problems with a neurological origin, but because it's our muscles and nerves thump thump thumping away, there we are.

That's my long-winded theory, but no matter how you slice it and dice it, what goes on in the roots of the tree causes what's happening on the branches, yet I've always suspected most of us are focusing squarely on the branches when we chase down neurological origins for our problems.

Interesting conversation for sure!

JG
 
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Did you ever have a liver ultrasound to confirm what is/is not causing the liver results, btw? Is it fatty liver, or something other than cirrhosis?

Your docs should fairly easily (these days) be able to tell if your increased enzymes are due to true organic DAMAGE occuring, or due to a more systemic condition like fatty liver (which of course, over time, if left untreated is no less damaging, but is a different disease pathology than alcohol induced liver damage).

I know you are on fairly high (relatively speaking) daily doses of Klonopin, which is metabolized by the liver, and has caused ALT spikes in many of us (my ALT while taking it was hovering between 60 - 90 normal 0 - 45, and has since dropped to between 40 - 50 since being off it), as well as an SSRI (I think?) which also gives the liver fits. Any possible link there?

None of this of course refutes anything in your theory, as damage is damage and doesn't repair itself. But off topic I was just curious if you had explored these other avenues for pinning down your elevated enzymes.

Best of health to all.

JG
 
That said, however, I have to say that on the few occasions when I have had something to drink (last weekend celebrating with a friend, for instance) I have noticed that my twitching is worse the next day...so, for me at least....alcohol was not a precipitant to the original symptoms but clearly aggravates the symptoms now that they are present...
 
I think its stress, bottom line. The bad news is that for most of us, our stress level is not going down anytime soon. The good news is that stress also causes events and other conditions that we all know we could do without. If it stops at BFS, I'll take it. BFS anyone?....
 
I think it's bottoms, that's the panty line. I like bottoms, all kinds, but I really bristle when I see neat lines cutting those cheeks underneath pants. Who is dressing these people, a satirist? Look, we are all going to have to get used to people that are just bloody unconscious with regard to what underwear they are wearing.

Basso
 
I would say mine is combined by a combination of trauma/injury to my shoulder, anxiety (I have been on celexa a.k.a. citalopram for many years but had not taken it for 6 months but was getting more anxiety again at onset).

I don't drink and never have, not even during college. :eek: I have had above normal bilirubin (liver enzyme) levels measured several times in the past and so have a couple family members. Some scientific studies have shown that this high normal or a bit above actually seems to protect against heart disease. Who knows? maybe it increases the likeliehood of BFS.

I have always had muscles that were less flexible than most and have exercised a lot (both cardiovascular and strength training).

I have thought all of the above at times could have been involved in my symptoms.
 

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