Twitching in Hands: Possible?

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I know, I know... But since I've had this tingling in hands again and since I "think I saw" (my mind can be playing tricks on me) that my "atrophied" hand is really thinner (I would swear it is, but that is not the point), here goes my new disturbing symptom if someone knows if this is possible or am I going insane totaly:When I put my chin on my thenar like I did so many times before... I feel twitching inside the thenar!!! It must be a hard press. When I take my chin away and look at my thenar I can not see nor feal anything. Now can this be twitching? Or is it sensory? Because if it is twitching and can not be seen nor felt I may be twitching in thenar and it gets smaller and that would be bad news indeed...Sorry for the post, but this really scared me now. And I wanted to say only good news about me when I am 1 year mark soon :(
 
Jerry,A twitch is a twitch. Whether you can see them and not feel them, feel them and not see them. Doesn't matter. When I lay down at night, it feels like all my muscles are bubbling and moving. I know they are twitches, but like you said, they are deep in the muscles and I can not see them on the skin. There have been times when I felt this in the muscle between my thumb and index and I've pinched that muscle with my other hand and felt the same thing you describe. I remember this happening the day I went for my last emg and they stuck the needle right in there. Guess what they found? Fasciculations but nothing else. Its nothing to get worked up about. You already know that you twitch. Nothing new. -Matt
 
Hm yes, I hope you are right. Feels more like fibrillations. Well, I just think I know how fibrillation feel. So I can twitch even ther where I do not see it. How does the neuro see this twitches then if he looks for them? And that thumb has been acting wierd for months, in joint pain, now I have muscle pain in thenar directly also and nerve pain. All in all, I have it all except weakness.
 
Jerry it is impossible to feel fibrillations, it is more on a "microscopic" level. You know what I think....theres a big blood vessel there and by putting pressure on it you can feel your pulse in there. That happened to me countless times.
 
Jerry,I have the same symptom in my hypotenar. Buzzing since 1 months.(my entire muscle move alone ) I'm very scared about this...and feel so depressed.No more, my fasciculations have changed, they are more quiet but invisible :crying: since 3 daysI have had my second EMG on july 23th.
 
I must say now this ache is wierd, it is a form of thumb cramps. I have heard of toe cramps and I have them (have to be carefull how I flex them) but of thumb cramps? If I flex the thumb (one or the other) to the bottom of the index finger, it hurst, feels like the thenar will cramp. But I guess everybody can put thumb to bottom od index finger with hand stretched with no problem and no pain?! I hope that are not thumb cramps.PS - Now I read some older topic of thumb cramps it seems to pull your thumb TOWARD the palm. I get this cramp feeling when I move my thumb toward the palm, so that is just the opposite.
 
Thenar, schmenar. When I see folks on this forum who get too technical in their descriptions of body parts; "When I rest my mandible on my thenar..." red flags go up, instantaneously. :) It means you have spent WAY too much time online, doing research and learning terminology that most lay-peeps would never concern themselves with. Inherent in such hyper-focus on human anatomy is also the tendency to concentrate an excessive amount of energy on one's own body; how it feels, how it looks, how it moves, etc. This is all part of the same anxiety-driven obsession that is hypochondriasis, and it is a typical and unfortunate side-effect of BFS. I suggest you forget your thenar and raise your middle phalange to ANY thought that causes you to fear something more sinister than goofy-old bfs. ;) Besides that, the thenar can be used for other things, much more fun than chin-leaning. :p Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go plunge my mandible into a bowl of ice cream. :LOL: Blessings, Sue
 
I guess I will go into 1 year mark with bigger scare than ever. The right thumb has some aching pain, thenar twitches from time to time and I fear it will again start non stop. And I see the skin is not so nicely round any more as it was. My sanity would say carpal tunnel, but I don't have the symptoms of it, I have no write pain, if I make my hands together on volnar (back of the hand) side I have no pain.. It seems like only motor nerves are involved here and pain.I don't know what to do, I have to see another neuro but this takes times here. I can die of anxiety in the meantime.
 
Yes, but I got this great new about a month ago when I asked consultation with a web expert advice. The neurologist didn't see me, I am not even sure if he wrote my whole mail, he just said what I stated. So it didn't take 2 hours, I wrote because I was is bad feeling and he just said after twitching for a year in foot I can not have ALS (the twitching foot).But I have more disturbing symptoms now because for the fist time I can see my thenar is smaller than it was and it is also seen on the photo I took last year and this year. I would not say a neuro would say it is atrophy, but he does not know how big it was 1 year ago (same as the first one told me atrophy of the other thenar but it is the same as it was pictures from 1 year ago confirmed that). Neuro doesn't know where to start from, what was my default. And now:1. Thenar is getting a dent it wasn't there2. It was twitching for 14 days then it stopped - twitchess now randomly3. I have a dull stifness and pain in this thenar for weeks now4. It is getting worse.Why would the foot twitching now confort me with all the reason? I guess I didn't tell very good before because I confusingy told that I talked with one neuro YESTERDAY. It happened a month ago, I don't know where was my mind yesterday. I didn't talk with him, but write to online expert service. He told only about the foot, I guess he didn't read everything because I clearly stated my hand is begining to worry me.About the volar aspect, I was trying to say I have tested against carpal tunell and it is not it. I know how to test for it as my neuro a year ago also tested my other "atrophied" hand to see if the pain in 3 fingers would be CT.Sorry for the confusion, but I didn't get any good news. And I believe all on this forum are BFS, I really do. But nobody has any change in muscles like me I think. So everybody here can and is BFS, but that does not mean I can be also, I have some common symptoms with you (started in one finger and spread to whole body, also paresthesia, pain, numbness, buzzing), but I have longer and longer hotspots that do not go away (and I know this is not a problem), but the atrophy is. It is not like my thenar is gone now, it is just a little bit smaller than it was 2 months ago. I took a picture and post it here and I got flamed for asking about the difference at all. Looks like veins are bigger but this is because my muscle is smaller.Now atrophy + pain + twitching in thumb... this can not be good. And even if my foot twitches benign I can still have a ALS hand start I would say. I know I have to go to the doctor again but I can not do that overnight, it is a long line here :( But I don't like what I see. But it means nothing for the rest of you, as you don't have same problems. I mean you have to 80% degree but not to 100%. Let's say I my thumb in 1 month started to get weak, you would I guess all agree that this is not BFS any more (it never was). I mean objective weakness. Now I have some objective atrophy, small, but your muscle should not change in 1 month. Why I also twitch in hip, leg, foot... I really don't know. Maybe something bad is happening to me not the way it happens to most patients, you know everybody is different.
 
Jerry,I understand your concerns. BUT, you are not as different as you think. There are SOOOO many posts on here where BFSers see atrophy or dents in their hand. Don't believe me? Look at this post written by yours truly!This post was written in the days when I thought I was different than everybody else too. I had (and still do have) twitching in my thenar muscles every single day. I wish I had just taken what the experts told me in the very beginning and believed it. I'm urging you to do the same. Just listen to your doctors. Ther REALLY DO know what they are talking about. I've read all of your posts Jerry and there is nothing about your symptoms that makes you different. -Matt
 
Sorry, I don't understand all the words and expressions..what is fibrillations? and Thenar?I often feel things I have problem descibing in English and even in Norwegian.. but is what you feel some kind of vibrations deep inside somewhere? That can be fast and irregular? I have that often, comes and goes in different places? Can see very small movements if you study the skin or not see anything, just felt (too deep) or can feel something fast movement if you press one it. I'm not very concerned about this, the tingeling I have all over by body (the first 6 mounths only in legs, and fingers/hands, the last 3 mounths ALL OVER ME) is what makes me a little crazy...hard to ignore!
 
Jerry, you make the comment "If I am wrong I will issue a public apology here for thinking I am different." The big question is how long is it going to take before you realize you are wrong. Signed, JohnnytheJet
 
Another thing... about my twitching foot for 11 months... In my left calf I feel weak now, I have pain there like strained muscle but I didn't excersise, it is about 2 weeks I have this feeling. I can still walk and don't limp. I guess my muscle is just tired. Percieved weakness. I am not saying it is not, but left leg feels weak and right feels strong.But the problem with ALS is that it is sneaky disease. You don't just run 10 km one dan and have foot drop the next day. It happens slowly and yes, when you have foot drop it is fast there on. But there is no telling how long you have it before that. Because people don't go to doctors if one muscle cramps, if thenar twitches and they don't examine themselfs for objective dents (differences in muscles over time). That is the problem. First they have fatigued muscles etc. So there is not much difference between prediagnosed ALS and BFS symptoms. That said, if you have a clean EMG or clinical you are ok. But there is no telling what is going on in my body without EMG I guess.
 
Now I have twitching in both thenars, not 24/7, on right are strong twitches and aching pain on the left it is like ping and needles twitching, I can not see it but it just twitches fast and tiny twitches, can almost be confused for ping and needeles (sensory) but if I press on it I feel it is twitching as it is harder then. I don't even know for sure if it is twitching everything or also tingling.Today my median side of the hand was stiff and numb at night.When I stretched the arm I got a tingling pulse through median distribution today to the thumb. Most of the last week it was ulnar side. I can understand doctors that this would be confusing symptoms even to them. The tingling pulse when I presents like entrapement. But can not be every week different nerve entrapped and the hands problems are switching also, I have both hands problem now but it is on and off during this year with them. I never had such thumb problems in pain, twitching and tingling before. I knew a guy who had ulnar nerves problem. But it was quickly progressive and in 1 month he couldn't hold a cup in his hand, he had severe pain all the time etc.From today my masseter muscle also twitch (the one when you gring your teeth near the ear, the strong one).I really don't know what will be the end of this. I keep getting new symptoms on top of old ones. I am not sure this qualifies even as BFS.
 
I don't know which pic you were looking... THere are more than one issue. HERE:You see differene in left and right hand. Doctor told me my left one has atrophy in the interossal and thenar muscles. As I saw I had this way back in 2010 (seen on the small picture) and because I found that photo, I have calmed about it, it seems it is not from last year this big difference.The other photo I am worried now is from the right (nonatrophied) hand which was big and bulky last year and this year on picture it is clearly seen how smaller it is and veins are bigger. I do not think doctor would saay atrophy on how it still looks, but if you seen how it looked last year you can see it is different and I am only 1 year older now...You can see yourself:Maybe I have some atrophy in my head also, yes :sick: But then this would be called multiple sclerosis. But I know you thought the other kind of atrophy ;)))I can not even say if my both thumbs are twitching or tingling or both or tremoring also, whn I put my thenar to any surface it feels like little twitches or tremor or tingling inside, even can not say is it motor or sensory (this is in atrohied thenar in the other one have visible twitches)... Today atrophied thenar went numb at night (whole thumb) but tommorow my right hand can be numb or buzzing or tremoring in the morning... That happened last week, I saw differences before that and 1.5 month ago my thumb twitched 24/7 14 dasys and it is still twitcihng again and I fear it will go 24/7 again and also both thumbs I have nerve and muscle aches now :( Most of my old symptoms stayed, BFS should be better in a year! ;/If this ever goes to my heart muscles I am dead ;-& But it would easy way to die (saying from someone who has ALS scare).
 
Look... the picture from 2010 is from the water, of course it looks worse. Anyway, the neuromuscular specialist told me my left hand is indeed atrophic in october of 2011. I found out from the picture in 2010 is is no worse than it was. I don't know why it is atrophic but you can not say I have healthy hands if one is atrophic by NM neurologist, can you? It has nothing to do with ALS as the atrophy was before as you see from the picture. What worries is that now it is more atrophic than it was, looks even worse. And the right hand looks worse in a year, you can see that in second picture. As the right hand was very big and bulky in thenar I don't think doctor would say athropic yet because it is still simmilar, but a little less bulky. It is seen on the picture. I don't like the trend my hands are going in cooperation with everyday tingling at night and pain here and there over thenar and other joints/muscles/ligaments. That's all.I didn' tsay I have atrophic hand, doctor did. And my hand is not that strong any more as you suggest, because my thumb is in pain, my grip is weaker because of it. I don't consider I have a healthy hands. I didn't say it can not get worse, of course it can, 1000 times worse. They could be paralysed.
 

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