The Aftermath of Partying on St Pat's Day

JeffTheGreat

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I started twitching back in March of 2009 after too much partying and not enough rest following St Patrick's Day. I checked the internet and had the typical freak out that we all do. I was in a funk for a few months. Finally my wife convinced me to talk to a doctor. He seemed somewhat concerned and referred me to a neurologist to be on the safe side. To put it mildly, I did not like the first neurologist I saw. He only made my anxiety worse, despite my clean clinical. He did not administer an EMG and asked me to come back in 6 weeks for the test. After a bad experience with him and in the hospital clinic where he worked (poor service, they failed to draw all the vials the doctor had ordered, they stuck me four times before actually drawing blood) I decided I would not return. Instead I called my GP and told him I wanted to go to a prominent metropolitan hospital with an acclaimed neurology department about 100 miles from my home.I could not make the first appointment in September due to a scheduling conflict, so I finally got back in last week. It was like night and day compared to my first neuro experience. We started with a pretty comprehensive clinical exam with all the usual strength tests. My guy even used some instruments to actually measure my strength (I guess this is a good idea as it would provide you with some accurate baseline data should issues arise on down the road). No issues...in fact, he said I was in the 90th percentile as far as strength goes.He called for an EMG and NCV to be safe. Like many of you, there were a few minor fasics that showed up in the EMG, but the EMG doctor (who was a different neurologist who also specializes in NMDs ) said both tests were "normal".My neuro actually made it a point to see me after the tests and explain everything to me. In a nutshell he told me that I did not have ALS or any other nasty disease. He could not promise that I would never go on to develop something, but noted that he could not rule it out in himself either...point being, I was at no greater risk than anyone else of getting something bad, like ALS.To be honest, I was pretty sure this would be the case and almost blew off the appointment as my anxiety has pretty much gone away. I still twitch and may always twitch, but it's not a big deal.My advice to newbies:1. The anxiety is the worse part of BFS or "benign fasiculations" as my neuro called them.2. This board was pretty much right on the money in my case. I know there is a ton of BS on the internet, but this site has relatively little if any. 3. If you need the reassurance, go see a good doctor...key word being GOOD. If you are truly worried about ALS or a neuromuscular disease, go to a specialist...you'll save yourself a lot of time and anxiety.4. Not all neurologists are equal.5. With the exception of this site, avoid the internet and Dr. Google. 6. Most importantly, remain rational and live your life. If your only symptom is muscle twitching, you are probably a victim of benign fasiculations. While they are pretty scary at first, and not exactly normal, they aren't really anything to freak out about either.7. Finally, move on once you get the "All clear" from your doctor. Life is too short to waste it worrying about things you can not control.8. One final note...my neuro said he could treat the twitching but the treatment would probably be worse than the ailment. I had decided I would not take any meds over this anyway, but I appreciated the fact that the guy didn't try to push some medication on me.
 
Great post! Good to hear you are officially on the "I don't care about BFS anymore" side. Once you get there, it's kind of silly to think about where you were emotionally 6 months ago.You should stick around the board, you're one of the good ones. :D)
 
Great post. You were smart to go to a reputable specialist. Did he happen to mention any theories about the cause of bfs since he seems to recognize it as its own entity? I'm glad to hear you feel you do not need medication. I wish that were the case with me. Again, thanks for posting your experience.
 
If you remember anything about possible causes, please share them. I think it helps people know what some of them are even if they are just theories. Also having an idea of the possible cause may help those with more severe forms know what might help address their symptoms. I guess for you since your symptoms don't need treating the cause is a non issue. I'm glad you are sticking around to reassure others. Yearly followups, if nothing else, stating "I'm cured" or "I still twitch but am otherwise fine" are the best things members can do for others. I am looking forward to doing that for my two year mark in July.
 
I don't think we are obessing over a benign condition we just want to know the cause. I think by not telling us what your neurologist said has just made many more people more anxious. It's like there might be something your neuro said that you don't want to post to scare anyone. I really don't see the big deal on stating theories on what your neuro said might be causing this. I mean, what's the big deal about sharing theories? If it's not ALS then nobody should be anxious about a possible cause. I just don't get your point.
 
His point is that his doctor said, "Don't spend another minute thinking about it." Which is exactly what he is doing. And he's right, wasting time researching causes of a benign condition borders on psychosis. What's the point? You twitch, there could be a billion reasons for it, and it won't hurt you. All you're going to do if you start digging around is give yourself a nice case of OCD.BFS is exactly like Bluebeard's closet. Your doctor and all the old timers will tell you, "Here's a closet, don't ever look inside it." Yet almost no one can resist the temptation. You look inside, you find all sorts of weird neurological disorders which you don't have, but now you know the existence of, and you never forget them. And now your anxiety is off the charts, despite the fact that nothing you have read even remotely applies to you. All you've done is developed a textbook case of Medical Student Syndrome, or as it's known in the layperson world, "Oh-my-God-what-if-I-get-that-someday-itis." You've given it to yourself, and you didn't even have to.Break the curse. Resist the temptation. Keep the door shut.It's closed for a reason.
 
I respect anyone's decision not to share or think about something. However, to say that wanting to know the cause or possible cause is crazy is being insensitive to the fact that some people may actually endure some physical suffering from the physical effects of twitching or whatever causes the twitching. Many people on this board, including the founder or one of the founders sought medication. This tells you there is some discomfort involved as most would not take medication and take on the side effects and risks involved if discomfort on some level were not at play. If you have no discomfort, then count yourself lucky but it is ignorant to think others do not. Those who have discomfort may want ideas about the cause so they can explore cause-related symptom relief. If you don't have any information to provide or don't want to provide what you have because it makes you anxious to think about it, just state that directly. There is no need to presume what makes sense for you in terms of whether you want information about the possible cause is what makes sense to someone else. Everyone on here is not identically situated. I wish there were more sensitivity to that fact.Krackersones
 
I am not digging around for anything and I don't have OCD. I just think it is nice when people share their neuro stories and possible causes. That is all I was trying to say. I know if my neuro gave me any insight into the cause I would be happy to share it here cause it may bring relief to some people not make them more anxious. Twitching being benign or not, it is caused by something. That something just happens to be the one thing that none of us know.~Leslie
 
Mario,You knocked that one out of the park. Barbie and JRO, sorry if I caused you any anxiety. I certainly didn't intend to. I just wanted to discuss my good news and share what I've learned throughout this whole ordeal...nothing more nothing less.
 
Jeffrey,You didn't cause me any anxiety and I am glad for your great news. I think what me & Krackersones were trying to say is that it's nice to hear what other doctors say about the cause of this stuff. That is all. I think we are just looking for answers like the next person. I've accepted that this is a benign condition but it still bugs me to this day what set it off. That is all I was trying to say.Leslie
 
Jeffrey and Mario are right. Jeffrey isnt "refusing" to share any possible causes, more likely than not, his Neuro, like 99% of all of the Neuros in the collection we have all seen, told him, "There are a million and one reasons why a person can have benign twitches.", and as Mario said, its not worth spending any time on. Most people will never find the reason they are seaking...and I can speak from expierence, when you stop looking for an answer...it may just present itself. The thing is, you have to stop the obsessive (yes, it is obsessive even if you dont feel that it is, anything that occupies your mind on a daily basis, other than your kids or sex of course ;) is obsessive...period.) behavior, and let your body do what it was intended to do. Great attitude BTW Jeffrey...I always told you that you would get here. ;) ~*~Amy~*~
 
Jeffrey,You did not cause me any anxiety either. I guess I am more interested in the cause like I said because I need medication to relieve the physical discomfort caused by the twitching (or the tension that causes the twitching). I would rather treat the cause than the symptom. I know many would say that maybe anxiety is causing my twitching but the twitching and tension came on like a tornado hit me head to toe and I was having no real major anxiety period other than normal life stuff and was maybe even less stressed because I was on summer break as a teacher so I was being paid while doing all the things I love to do (shop, travel, spend time with family, exercise, etc.). If you don't need meds and are not physically suffering then seeking out the cause is not beneficial and likely harmful. If you do need meds or are physically suffering, then some inquiry into the cause is worthwhile in my opinion. You may not find the cause but some basic blood tests and questions are not too much to do. I, like Leslie, appreciate any insights people learn from their neuros about possible causes. Amy's story may help someone else down the road since she found the cause of her problems and posted about them. So I encourage anyone who is willing and has information (even if speculative) to share it. If it is speculative you can state that and people can decide what weight to give it in their situation.Jeffrey, I hope you do whatever you need to do to stop thinking about this stuff all together but I do look forward to your annual "I'm great" posts.
 
Amy,You're right...told me a few months ago I'd be fine and you were right on the money. Thanks a million!Barbie and JRO, sorry you continue to struggle. I'm not withholding any information and he really didn't even speculate as to why I was twitching. He briefly alluded to two very common theories that have been discussed here hundreds of times...it was like "Some people think ... may cause them, some believe... could cause them, but it's really nothing to be concerned about" Since it is benign, I'm not chasing that rabbit anymore.
 
"For God's sake, obsessing over a benign condition borders on psychosis."Thats exactly why the doctors dont treat us like physical sufferes. Thats why they get irritated when we jump into their office and claim that we are deadly ill. Well spoken jeffrey
 
One additional bit of information for you all...I finally got my blood work results today. I hadn't mentioned the blood work in this post originally because I was just very relieved that (based on the nerve conduction test, EMG, and clinical) my neuro ruled out ALS or any other nasty nmd. Being a specialist, he also looked at the fasics from the autoimmune angle. He called for a VGKC test. I'm sure many of you may be familiar with this test...it checks for a particular antibody that in some instances can be indicative of a rare form of cancer. He also checked a couple of mineral levels...zinc...and I forget the other one. Before anyone freaks out and rushes out to get a VGKC test, he said he was really just doing his due diligence and felt it very unlikely that this was causing my fasics.All the bloodwork came back normal. In a nutshell, he said they really don't know why some people have the hyperexcitable nerves. He said it could be autoimmune, but really could not say for sure. At the end of the day, he said it is nothing to worry about. It is an annoyance, but nothing more. He went on to say that if I started to develop cramping, to call him and he could treat that with meds. He said the fasics could also be treated, but added that the side-effects of the medication would be more of a problem than the fasics. He wants to see me in 6 months for a follow up. If all goes well, we'll be done unless something changes :) .My story is very similar to another member of this forum. We both went to the same clinic and basically were checked out in the same way. I feel very good about my experience and would recommend the Washington University School of Medicine Neuromuscular Division to any of you within a reasonable distance from Saint Louis, MO.
 
I've often wondered if I should have the VGKC test but I read that it only shows up in like 40% anyway so you can have the antiobodies and it doesn't show up in more than half of the people. So I just don't know. I give up with this stuff already. I'm to the point of whatever it is, it is. I'm sick of it controlling my life.
 

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