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Okay, I thought I'd do something helpful for this board. I'd like to dedicate this thread specifically to just being "advice from old timers." I don't want to see any questions, I don't want to see any freak out posts, I don't want to see any newbies popping in to say "Yeah but I read X, and what if Y, I'm so scared!" All this thread will be is helpful advice from old timers, on how they eventually learned to live with this very strange but very benign condition we all seem to have.So anyway oldbies, fire away. If you could go back and talk to yourself way back when your symptoms first started to appear, what would you say to yourself and why? What eventually won you over that what you had wasn't anything to worry about?And remember, this isn't a thread for questions and worries. This is just an advice thread. Leave those panic posts in the other threads. I would like this thread to actually be constructive for a change.
 
Good idea Mario...3 years now for me so i'd declare myself an oldtimer (but young at heart )1st Lesson BELIEVE YOUR DIAGNOSIS if the Neuro says its benign then that IS good enough.2nd Lesson GET AN HOBBY something that gets you outdoors doing gentle relaxing exercise fishing, golf, Field target shooting, green bowling etc...somethink to get you out and talking to other people absorbing your mind.3rd lesson Eat good wholesome food This bloke as some good advice and Nutrition and exercise Breathing exercises ....learn how to breathe correctly search youtube for examples of optimal breathing Flush out bad intestine flora with threelac or similar pro biotic regime Organic Cocao nibs are a wonderful natural source of Magnesium and other brain nutriants far better imo than taking ant depressantsLesson 4 Keep it real dont ...blow something up out of proportion this is a condition that can come back and bite you at any time.Lesson 5 The best things in life a free ...everyone has family and friends embrace them.Finaly Laughter ....dont forget how to laugh and smile ....everytime i'm out bowling i have a permanant grin on my face ...some of the old guys are a laugh a minute :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Take care
 
My advice will be a little more philosophical than most, but it really helped me when I finally accepted it.I was about 2-3 weeks into my "ALS panic" stage when I read a really interesting article about death and dying. I don't remember where it was, but the name of the essay was "Death: The final act of selfishness." It was all about how the act of dying is considered by many to be the ultimate selfish act, because so many sick or dying people just immediately forget their place in the world, and their connection to others, and immediately revert into a very unpleasant stage of "me me me"ism. All they do is think about themselves, and their needs, and their fears, and in many cases this is why terminally ill people can often be incredibly difficult to be around. Once they cross the line into me-me-meism, they really aren't the people that their friends and loved ones once knew. Once you cross the line into selfish "the world is all about me" OCDism, you can be incredibly annoying to be around.Now obviously none of us are terminally ill with BFS, but the unfortunate truth is that almost 100% of us will pass through the stage where we THINK we are. That's just the nature of the beast. Once you enter the first ALS panic stage at the start of your journey, it can be a hard stage to get out of. You start thinking of death, and helplessness, and wasting away, and I know I'm not the only one who was already planning his funeral and/or entertaining thoughts of suicide and how I would want to end it. I mean, that's just normal. If you think you have a terminal illness, you start thinking of things you NEVER would have thought of in a million years before. You immediately start reverting into me-me-meism. All of a sudden, the world is all about you. You are no longer just one small piece of the larger puzzle of friends and family and children and work, now the world is all about YOU and what is going to happen to YOU and how it will affect YOU and how scary it will be happening to YOU and how it's such a horrible tragedy for YOU.And here's where the problem comes in. Yes, sure, it would be a tragedy for you, but what about for everyone else? I mean, what if you have kids? Do you think they really want to remember their mom or dad as this whiny, self-pitying bag of jelly that just sits there in the corner all day and cries over what may or may not be happening to them? What if you have a spouse? Do you think your spouse really wants to be bombarded all day with your health concerns? Is this their problem? Don't you think they eventually would get sick of that? Do you really want to be the type of person who other people can't stand to be around, because all of a sudden it is "you you you" all day long?Here's a great piece of wisdom my wife once shared with me. It's morbid, but it explains the "me me me" thinking perfectly. She said she would never understand the selfishness of people who take a shotgun and shoot themselves in the head. She said, "Yeah it's great for the person who wants to die, but what about the spouse or child who has to walk in the room and see it the next day? Don't you think it would be a little bit scarring for them? I mean, life goes on for other people too. Great, so now the wife has to go clean it up. Now the kids have to go to counseling. Thanks a lot."So anyway, here's my advice to all the people who are first entering the scary stages of BFS. First of all, no you aren't dying. At least not from this you're not. It might suck a whole hell of a lot, and it will most certainly change your life a little bit (at least at the start), but you'll be just fine in the end. My advice to you is to NOT GET CONSUMED BY SELFISHNESS OVER THIS. Look, the world is not simply "all about you." It wasn't before you had BFS, and it's not now. You still have a place in a much larger picture. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF IT. It's a bad idea to pick up the selfish thinking of a dying person, and it's an even worse idea to pick up this thinking WHEN YOU AREN'T EVEN DYING. Think about your reactions to BFS before you go through with them. You always have a choice in how you will respond. Remember that.I have read through the archives on this website, and I have read through every single post ever written in the last 5+ years. And do you know what the most common tragic outcome turns out to be? Not "I got ALS and I died." Not "I ended up with a debilitating neurological condition and ended up confined to my bed." Nope. The most common tragic outcome to BFS is "My spouse left me because of my complaining, and then I lost my job." Think about that before you continue down the path you are currently on.Remember, if your neurologist tells you you are fine, then you are fine. There's no need to get wrapped up in "the ultimate act of selfishness" (aka dying) if you aren't even dying. Even people who are ACTUALLY dying tend to approach it with more dignity. So chill out.If you were your spouse, you'd probably be sick of you too.
 
Here's the deal, people. If you're freaking out, you've got a double thing wrong with you.First of all, you have a physical problem, probably having to do with your nerves. Your nerves are all over your body, duh. From your toes to the tip of your tongue. Sometimes they get upset. In some people, they get upset and don't get over it easily. They express their distress (I'm pinched, I don't like the chemicals around me, I would really like some more B12, hey, YOUR anxiety is really starting to creep me out) by twitching, tingling, popping corn, buzzing, thumping, whatever.Your muscles notice what your nerves are doing to them and say "WTF?" They get tired from twitching, they, too, get your attention. "Hey, up there, we got a real problem down here, because I don't think we're supposed to be twitching like this."At some point you find out something you wish you hadn't on the internet. At that moment, your blood turns to ice water. You get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach. With your nerves and muscles clamoring for an answer, Brain says, "Available data suggests a number of poss--" About then the emotional part kicks in and says "HOLY CRAP WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!" Your body releases a flood of chemicals designed to help you fight angry badgers. Now your nerves and muscles are really revved up. "KILL THE BADGERS!" But you got no badgers. You don't even have a squirrel to fight or run away from. But you still have all these powerful chemicals flooding your system. What do you think this does to your nerves and your muscles? Brain? At that moment a powerful association, or chain, is formed. Twitch = Badger. No, worse. Horrible Badger that captures you, ties you up and tortures you to death slowly.Everything about the circumstances surrounding the forging of that link is scary. The twitches, the muscle aches, your computer screen (seriously), certain words. And every time you are re-exposed the link between physical symptom and fear gets stronger. Which is a problem because you are twitching somewhere every 1.5 seconds. Meanwhile, Brain is still trying to make sense of all this. "Whoa, there. Let me prove to you we're okay. I found these neat exercises and diagnostic tests online (Brain never learns). Let's do these and you'll see we're perfectly fine." So you do. You feel a little better maybe. So you do it again. And again. LIke an alcoholic taking another sip of comfort. But just as drinking too much alcohol is bad for you body, so is compulsive self-testing. Eventually what you're doing is causing real muscle fatigue and soreness, because it is not natural.Now the emotional you is in even worse shape. It is curled up in fetal position saying "badgers, badgers" over again (although it ain't "badgers") your nerves are freaking out, your muscles are (being dumb) more confused and sore than anything. Everything you do to make yourself feel better, getting more information, testing, visiting here, just feeds the fear, and you get worse. The imaginary badger grows fat and strong from all that you feed it. It never leaves you alone, and pees on the carpet of every good emotional moment.After about nine to twelve months, Brain says: "I have an announcement! Available data indicates the badgers should have confined us to a wheelchair by now, and since we're not, we must be okay. I'm sounding the ALL CLEAR siren." Emotional you says "Yay," you start to relax, whatever amount of symptoms were aggravated by stress go away, and you are better. Badger begins to starve and sulks away, but vowing revenge.The problem is, during your first illness, you picked up a whole lot of information. You know about Bulbar Badgers. You already have screwy nerves for some reason, and sooner or later, the ones in your mouth are going to get unhappy. So now its "OMG THE BADGERS ARE IN MY FREAKIN' MOUTH." You try to swallow them, over and over, but that just makes your throat worse. You use your tongue to push everywhere, you puff your cheeks, you do the same kind of thing that drove your legs to the brink of secession a month ago. These badgers are even worse, because they're more horrible and faster, if possible, than the other ones! But you can't make them leave because they don't really exist.Eventually, you get over that, too. Maybe you go for a year or two without so much as thinking about a badger. But your the emotional you hasn't forgotten how scared it was. The link is still there, perhaps weak, because you don't compulsively feed it anymore. So one day the badgers attack, BOOM out of the blue. Something new. Not an experience you've already survived and therefore have some confidence about. But in reality, it is just the same old problem, different day. And you find yourself in the same place all over again, maybe quite a bit better because you learned a lot about badger-fighting over the last few years.So what have we learned from this tale?It is not your fault. Something is screwy with your nerves and you went to the internet like everybody does. You were traumatized. Once the link was forged between symptoms and fear, you seek consolation, which just makes things worse. Not only are you physically doing things to yourself, you are feeding that fear. Fear causes more physical symptoms, which cause more fear... the spiral of doom.You can take drugs to help with the fear. Really, they work, at least for awhile. But somehow you have to break the link between the symptoms and the fear. Every time you feel a twitch, say "Its just BFS." Every time you can't swallow, say "Its just BFS." Every time you have an intrusive thought, say "That's a mistake I made a long time ago and it no longer affects me." Slowly re-program your brain. Then, even when you have relapses, they won't be so scary and unmanageable.
 
Therapeutic, panic-attack stopping, hypnotic, neverending dancing badgers video. Confuse your mind to the point it forgets twitching.
 
Practical & pragmatic advice: pay attention to your diet and experiment to see what irritates your symptoms. Try some supplements but don’t overdo it unless you have some sort of deficiency. Keep moving physically, adjust and adapt rather than cutting out exercise. Most neurologists know little about exercise and physical therapy; however there are some modalities that may give you relief if you want to pay for them. Realize that doctors may not have an ‘answer’ for you outside of Rx’s and ‘more doctors’ may not mean ‘more help’. Focus on your symptoms only in an effort to self-adjust & to avoid further problems.Be glad for what you do have and do not focus on negative issues. I have heard more dark speculation here than I could have previously imagined from functional adults. This has taught me how destructive it is and now I find myself avoiding people in my life that are also like this; especially those that will not hear others and are only looking for a cheering section as they hurl themselves over one cliff after another. Then again I have found supportive and reasoning people here that can keep you from feeling isolated when struggling with the symptoms and accompanying issues; I now appreciate these types of people more in my life and try to let them know it. The main lesson I’ve learned from PNHE/BCFS/BFS is that sometimes crap just happens. Yes, we want to know why because we want to cure or avoid bad things if possible. But after all the tests and doctors and yakyakyakking about it, maybe just accepting it and moving forward is better for you than anything else. It seems that there are a very small percentage of people from this board that have found a cure (a few yes, but not many) and that may make us think we are one of those. It has taken me 4 years to learn to accept that there was some damaging event that came into my body and left me with nerve and muscle issues and that healing is a long process and also that it may never entirely go away. I am better, I hope to continue healing, but right now this is where I am. This thing has darn near turned me into a Buddhist – learning to be ‘a reed in the wind, bending not breaking’ and to ‘flow like water around the obstruction’ etc. has been essential to healing my mind and body. Not fighting back – because – well, I am fighting against myself if I accept these neural sensations as part of myself. A part that is a bit damaged, electrically off, hyper excited at times but capable of healing at least partially.Life is good. We travel through it thinking we are in control when actually we are only in control of our own actions so it is upsetting when we get hurt – did we do this? How it did happen? Does it matter? Maybe not, I think now after this PNHE. What matters is what you do with what you do control, reaching out to people who you can help, enjoying others and loving those close to you, working honestly and with consideration.Hahahaha – this is too long again. I still can’t write a short paragraph that makes sense! Something else to work on……..
 
Twitching is what it is; a big bag of suck.If you are a nervous person you'll freak out and think you have ALS or MS or something. Stressing causes more anxiety that causes more BFS - you'll damage yourself if you stress for too long.If you are normal you will move on without thinking about it. I've always been a total stress case so its no surprise that I got BFS. I still stress and I still BFS but at least I don't think I'm going to die or something. :rolleyes: My best advice: 1. Try to manage your stress... its the only way. 2. To much time to think is a bad thing. 3. Exercise is a good thing... to much exercise is a really good thing because it proves you can do it. 4. Give up on the vitamins and minerals, etc and put the money towards a yoga class (preferably one with nice looking women - because yoga pants will make you think of only one thing.... mmmmmmmm.... what was I talking about?.. o-yeah) 5. If your wife/ husband is saying things like "... I'm so scared for you!.." teach her to say "... suck it up buttercup. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU!" - this kind of attitude was good for me. To much sympathy is bad and reinforces your belief that your going to die or something (yeah... I know what your thinking... guess what?... your not going to die so get off your mount... that's right buttercup... I'm talking to you because your the one reading this.6. DONT EVER, EVER, self test. 7. If your going to believe the shyt on the internet you might as well respond to all your junk mail dumb-ase :D) 8. Listen to your god-damm doctor or stop goingCheers, Jeff
 
More badgers for occasins - you can read into this whatever.....by as a friend (who happens to be a therapist) said - processing the psyche afterward makes it a whole experience .....hahahahhaha, maybe she meant a hole instead of whole ...
 
Hi friendsMy name is Chris and I have not been on this site for months. Some may remember me and other obviously will not know me at all. I spent quite a lot of time on the board during my dark days of BFS and made lots of friends too.So I am going to pop back on site today to give hope to those whom have this illness BFS. This is a real illness and is not like any nasty illness or ***, it is what it say’s it is ,benign, although, annoying and sometimes painful.My BFS started in June 05 with a thumb twitch, then Bam!! Wide spread fasciculation, limb twitches, muscle vibrations, stiffness, anxiety, depression, fear, weakness, Myoclonic jolts (at rest.) Then came the pains in my legs, arms back, etc, etc. The worst pain was in my feet. I was unable to stand for long periods of time, unable to exercise, I gained weight. I was a wreck, crying and self examining on a daily basis, looking for signs of the nasty stuff. I could not even take my daughter to school with out fatigue and pain. I could not go out and socialise And much, much more!! The story goes on.Until I met people on this site who helped me get my head straight. I stopped listing to that little Devil in my head and accepted I hade bfs, and nothing more.Now 2008, I very rarely notice the twitching and only have minimal feet pain, which is improving, slowly. Yesterday I cycled 12 mile on my bicycle I bought two months ago.Believing I would never ever get over this I sold my other bicycle in 2006. Mistake,as there is light at the end of the tunnel, Although, it may be a slow process there is an end to this condition, honest. I now feel mentally tip top, and socialise once again with friend. If someone had told me I would feel this way in 2005 I would refuse to believe them. But the proof is in the pudding, (not that I am a pudding) My life is back, as yours will be too, one day. For some it takes weeks, other months. For me it took a few years, but so what!! With this condition you have years, unlike the nasty stuff. So please weather the storm, be brave and live in hope, never give up, try and distress and remember this thing feeds off stress big time. Stress plays a big part in bfs.Now read what top neuros say about BFSBenign fasciculation syndrome (BFS) is a neurological disorder characterized by fasciculation (twitching) of various voluntary muscles in the body. The twitching can occur in any voluntary muscle group but is most common in the eyelids, arms, legs, and feet. Even the tongue may be affected. The twitching may be occasional or may go on nearly continuously. Any intentional movement of the involved muscle causes the fasciculation to cease immediately, but they may return once the muscle is at rest again.Common featuresIn addition to twitching, patients with BFS often experience pain, paraesthesia, generalized fatigue, exercise intolerance, globus sensation and/or muscle cramping.Another common feature of the disorder, when seen by physicians, is an increase in the patient's level of anxiety, especially health-related anxiety. It's not uncommon for the patient to fixate on ***/** or some other serious neurological disorder, refusing to believe the BFS diagnosis Since it is anxiety, not fasciculations, that brings patients to physicians, the association of BFS and anxiety is probably an example of ascertainment bias. Causesit is much more often due to more benign causes (BFS, over-exertion, etc), and virtually everyone will experience some episodes of benign fasciculation during their lifetime.The precise cause of BFS is unknown, and, in fact, Mitsikostas et al found that fasciculations "were slightly correlated to the body weight and height and to the anxiety level" in normal subjects. [1] Another factor that seems to be common in many cases is a history of regular strenuous exercise. Or a related disorder may be a contributing factor, and people with essential tremor appear to have a greater than normal likelihood of developing BFS. [citation needed] In addition, there are likely other genetic and environmental factors that make the patient more susceptible to BFS. There are some intriguing similarities between BFS and chronic organophosphate poisoning, but these similarities have not been explored. It may be that chronically elevated levels of stress hormones in the body cause damage similar to the damage caused by organophosphatesTreatmentSome degree of control of the fasciculation may be achieved with the same medication used to treat essential tremor (beta-blockers and anti-seizure drugs). However, often the most effective approach to treatment is to treat any accompanying anxiety. No drugs, supplements, or other treatments have been found that completely control the symptomsIn many cases, the severity of BFS symptoms can be significantly reduced through a proactive approach to decrease the overall daily stress. Common ways to reduce stress include: exercising more, sleeping more, working less, meditation, and eliminating all forms of dietary caffeine (e.g. coffee, chocolate, cola, and certain over-the counter medications).OutlookBFS is not life-threatening and generally not disabling, but it may be persistent enough to create some degree of disability, especially if cramps or pain are also present. In many cases, however, the accompanying anxiety is more disabling than the disease itself. The vast majority of cases clear up spontaneously in a few days or weeks (and in fact are never presented for diagnosis), but some may continue for years.CheersChris
 
Thanks for bringing that one out of cobwebs. Its a great summary of bfs and makes me feel less like an oddball to see it medically written about AND mentioning cramps, etc.
 
I'm bumping this old thread, which I have always felt is one of the most important ones on this board. Just read this and you won't have to wait for an old timer to stop by and repeat the exact same info for the hundredth time. All the BFS wisdom you can use from people who have been through it all is right here.Also if any old timer wants to add anything to this thread, feel free. That's what it is here for.
 
Mario did a real service to the board by creating this thread, and the few that have added to it, for the most part, have put bfs soundly into perspective. It's too bad that PrickLedPin, as an oldtimer, needs to write about his unhappiness and negativity on virtually every thread he responds to. Time to get over your self, PrickLedPin. Chris's response to this fine thread did not deserve the kind of dissection that you gave to it. Chris was an empathic contributor to the board and helped many people. Plus, he had a great sense of humour, which is something you clearly lack. Here's some advice for those of you who are stuck in your own misery...and you know who you are: Don't post on threads that are clearly designed to help people, because no one wants to read what you have to say. Form your own little website (club) where you can share with one another about how life sucks hard and then you die.My two cents worth on the old-timer thread:We are all well, meaning nothing sinister is going on, and most of you will not be posting on the board in a few months time, because you will have gotten over it. This ordeal, which once seemed so frightening to you, will become part of the experience that makes you a kinder person, and a person who values the miracle of his/her life in no uncertain terms. Life is truly beautiful, and though at the beginning bfs is a harrowing adventure, it helps us realize just how beautiful it is. Personally, I'm glad for the struggles I went through, because it made me stronger, AND made me seek those things that my heart had always called out to do. Any experience is an opportunity for personal growth, and bfs can be life-altering in the best of ways.I've met so many fine people on this site, people who I count among my closest friends; although I've yet to meet them. (time for a Vegas road trip ;) ) In a world that has become increasingly disenfranchised from community, this little cyber one can provide us the opportunity to reach out to those that matter, and be a catalyst to give of ourselves more. We all have our problems, but those don't define us, unless we let them. We are so much greater than just sum of a few physical issues, and the great thing is, when we allow our heart to be whole, the body follows suit.Basso
 
Basso - Yes indeed. As far as anxiety goes, one does not have to be suffer from say, anxiety attacks, to suffer from everyday stresses which may make you feel anxious or cause an undercurrent of it in your life. I am not an anxious person by any standards but still know that most of the bcfs thing for me had/has to do with unresolved stresses and issues that I've ignored to get on with my life. You have to be careful about accepting common definitions and applications of words like anxiety, psychogenic, or somatic as sometimes, the general usage is incorrect.How many times do you need to not deal with an emotion or stressor just to get through a job, day, situation? Most of us do this out of necessity. We let things slide and think we've let them go but they don't actually leave us - just get pushed into our unconscious mind. You can stress yourself by being a perfectionist or an over-acheiver; not something we consider 'bad' qualities but it does take its toll eventually. The trick is in investigating and acknowledging this in ourselves so we can move on and forward. This is how I've learned to not let the stress in to my muscles, to calm my nerves down by accepting that it is misplaced tension. No drugs, no doctors, no big life changing diets or regimes. It's an on-going thing and a learning experience. Just read a few books (Dr. John Sarno) and apply or talk to a behaviorist if need be. I know it is hard to accept that you may be in some way responsible for your symptoms but it shouldn't be. Where do headaches usually come from? Do we feel bad about getting them because it is our fault in allowing tension to cause it? I hope not. And what about your dreams, are you responsible for those? They are not exactly who we feel we are but they still come from us so we are both more and at the same time less then we accept we are. Too bad I haven't been able so far to get anyone here to try this tactic and see if they can find relief also. Takers?
 
Oh I think a lot of people try that tactic, at least to some extent. I mean, I'm not really all that familiar with Sarno's writings or beliefs, but I have long been a proponent of "bad things that are happening in my body are generally caused by me in some way." A lot of these symptoms in my body are caused by my bad mental thought processes, and I've been working on straightening out why they happen, and what I can do about them. Just because I wouldn't call this a quote-unquote "Sarno process" doesn't mean I'm more or less not doing the exact same thing. Personally I don't think it's possible to ever deal with BFS unless you adapt this kind of a thought process. You have to start looking inward and figure out WHY your body is doing this. Because in most cases it is being caused by you, you just have to figure out why. And a neuro or a doctor isn't going to be able to help you with stuff like this, at this point the self discovery is all up to you.
 
Well, I haven't heard much about it here.I don't think Sarno's process relates directly to BFS but it does start the 'imagining' of how mental and physical processes intertwine in us. This, I find, is something not much talked about due to our quick fix mentality (take this and be well) and sometimes think it has to do with our tendency to look outside ourselves for solutions. Many doctors wouldn't support this idea (mental processes and emotion as a cause of a physical symptom) - if they could ID you as a neurotic or something and then it'd be 'it's all in your mind take this Rx'. One reason the docs refused this 'mind as cause' for me was because symptoms occurred during sleep - they assumed my mind was asleep and couldn't cause symptoms, guess they've never dreamed. We go to specialists who are trained narrowly so they can focus on one body system - maybe they tend not to look at us as whole beings but as the sum of our parts. Most people, docs included, don't understand the integration of our minds and body - it is not under much investigation due to its complexity but that doesn't make it 'unscientific'. I can't accept the statement that "its being caused by you" because it can be very indirect to the point that we would have little or no awareness of it. Is a stomach ache caused by you because you ate? There's lots of stuff going on we have no conscious awareness of whether it is involuntary muscles at work or involuntary thoughts in our minds. I do agree though that the only way out for many is to begin to understand and know for themselves how their mind-body connection is influencing their lives.
 
Pinprick, this thread is in the support forum. The title of this thread is: The old timer advice thread. What that means is old timers are encouraged to post a supportive note that might aid newbies in getting over the initial fear of bfs. It isn't titled the "rip an old timer apart thread, because you are wrapped up in yourself." Again, Chris, was an extremely supportive bfs colleague, and just a great guy, to boot. He suffered greatly with his bfs, and his story is a true testament to how bfs can be gotten over; no matter how dire the circumstances may seem. That man went through the wringer, but he never stopped helping people in an affirmative way. For you to come here and besmirch his character because you are seemingly unhappy with your life is shocking. What the hell did Chris ever do to you?!This is an old thread that Mario decided to bump. Did you even read the thread in it's entirety? I saw you post to Tek that he should stop drinking caffeine for his shaking, etc, when he had just posted that he felt really great and his symptoms weren't bothering him anymore. Seems you read the first post, but didn't bother to read the update. This indicates that you aren't really that interested in what others have to say. Basso
 

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