Neurologists Response on Twitches

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I know a neurologist from another forum(not BFS or medical forum for that matter, just a friends of mines forum) but anyway I asked him about twitches and this is what he wrote.




In answer to a question by one on this forum, I will write about fasciculations. These are sudden involuntary twitches or contractions of a group of muscle fibers, usually innervated by one motor neurone. In come cases a group of neurons may fire off.

The result is usually a barely visible muscle contraction. Sometimes just a brief indentation of a forearm or calf muscle is all that you see. They are more easily seen in the face, and small hand muscles. Fasciculations have many different causes some serious and many benign.

This is quite a coincidence. But I have benign fasciculations. I have had them for a couple of years now. Being a neurologist, when I first noticed them, I thought I had Lou Gehrig's Disease. Yet I had no weakness and no obvious muscle atrophy. Knowing that the first rule of medicine for doctors is to never diagnose oneself, I called a friend at the University Hospital in Seattle, where I was living then.

He did electromyography looking for "denervation". That is loss of motor neurones that changes the electrical patterns in muscles when an electrode is introduced. He checked each extremity, my face, and my tongue. I had none of the signs of denervaton (positive sharp waves, and fibrillations). I just had some fasciculations, spontaneous firing of a motor unit. A motor unit may consist of anywhere from 4 to 200 muscle fibres.

He noted my normal strength with a detailed exam, and my "normal EMG. He said that I did have benign fasciculations or Benign Fasciculation Syndrome. Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's Disease) almost always has fasciculations. But it usually presents with atrophy of skeletal muscles in the arm, leg, or face. Soon muscle atrophy develops (muscles look wasted).

There are other things that can present with fasciculations apart from ALS or BFS. One common condition is cervical spondylosis (neck arthritis) with spinal cord compression. So a spinal MRI may be ordered in some cases.

Another condition Post is Poliomyelitis Muscular Atrophy Syndrome, which is a delayed late onset scattered muscle weakness with fasciculations, weakness, and atrophy. All of these folks have a history of severe Polio, usually severe enough to have been on the old "Iron Lung" machines in the 50s and 60s.

Fasciculations are sometimes seen in Mad Cow Disease (Creutzfeld-Jakob), which is more common over here than in your area. And fasciculations are only a minor aspect. These people suffer dementia, psychosis, seizures, incoordination, spasticity, and features that far overshadow the minor fasciculations.

Drugs of certain types can cause fasciculation. Alcohol may be a factor. Mestinon (Pyridostigmine), Statins (Cholesterol lowering drugs) also cause fasciculations. Potassium deficiency, Magnesium deficiency, Vit B12 deficiency, and certain calcium abnormalities may have fasciculations as part of their symptom complex.

I don't know how you were evaluated, but presumably your doctor called it BFS and therefore went through the elimination process. That may have included blood tests, a spinal MRI, as well as the EMG (electromyography.)

BTW, I still twitch. Mine are worse at night as I go to sleep, and in the morning when I first awaken. During active work, either they don't occur or I can't notice them. However, when I take a break like now to surf the Internet, I feel the twitches in my posterior calves, and the flexor muscles of my arms. At night the twitches are more common in my shoulders, chest wall, and thighs. Being naturally paranoid, I test my strength almost daily. I stand on my toes. I do a couple of squats, and hold a book in my hand while flexing my wrist upward. Fortunately I am still strong.

BTW, a recent report in a neuromuscular journal (forget which one), that followed people with only fasciculations but otherwise normal. Over 5 years none of them developed ALS. According to a Neuromuscular Disease specialising neurologist in Seattle, he has followed many people with fasciculations, and none of those with benign fasciculations (no denervation, no weakness) have ever gone on to develop ALS.

As far as treatment, my bias is that no treatment is the best treatment. The twitches are a minor nuisance and drug effects to suppress them would be worse than having twitches.
 
youre all welcome....I just thought maybe a post from a neurologist might be useful to post. and was big coincidence that he also twitches a lot
 
I also went to a top guy at UofW hospital in Seattle and went through a lot of tests and his conclusion was that I have restless leg syndrome because my symptoms seem to get worse at night and in the morning. I went to chat sites and web sites of restless leg and found it really did not apply to me. I figured out I had BSF by going to this site and reading posts. The only thing that showed up on my MRI was that I had cervical spondylosis (neck arthritis). The doctor said this should not be the cause of my symptoms but after reading the letter you posted I wonder if this does add to my BSF. I can't believe my doc didn't talk to me about BSF all he said is I have benign fasciculations and it is very common and increase your neurotin.
 
Janet, you said "I can't believe my doc didn't talk to me about BSF all he said is I have benign fasciculations...".

BFS = Benign Fasciculation Syndrome... and with that, benign fasciculations ARE BFS. Sounds like he just didn't use the term BFS or maybe he doesn't consider it to be an actual "syndrome", which is the concensus of many doctors. Some doctors still don't even believe benign twitches even exist when they are to this degree. They think there is some sort of underlying cause somewhere, but to pretty much everyone else in the world, if it's harmless, won't kill you or won't cripple you... I'd consider that about as "benign" as you can get, "syndrome" or not. I think your doctor was in line and maybe you just took it wrong because he didn't use the initials "BFS"... :) I agree with you about the Restlkess Leg Syndrome. That's a whole other thing compared to what BFS is like. Hang in there girl, it's BENIGN whether someone actually calls it BFS or just "benign fasciculations"...
 
Bumping another old post which I think will be reassuring reading for a lot of newbie twitchers. This is word for word from an actual neurologist.
 
This post seems to be a little contrary to what we have been sharing over and over on this site. In this post you have a Neurologists, what develops muscle twitching and thinks he has ALS, then is told it is BFS. I thought the twitching we have and people with ALS was different? You think this guy would know. Also, even after a clean EMG he is still self testing himself, I thought a clean EMG, no ALS, a Neuro would know this as well. I have to say, I was suprised at that a Neurologist posts sounds like it could be one of ours, maybe he was just doing is residency.
 
It doesn't surprise me at all that a neurologist would be vulnerable to a freak out phase, just like a layperson. From what I have learned about neurology (and from what I have seen firsthand both here and on other websites), it seems that the more you know about this subject, the more likely you are to start seeing phantom symptoms in yourself. After all, how many people have you seen on this board say "Man, I wish I hadn't googled." It seems to me that in cases of things like BFS, etc, ignorance truly is bliss. I would rather NOT know about all the other nasty things floating around out there, thank you very much. In fact it surprises me that neurologists can even make it through the day at all. So no, the fact that the guy who wrote this is a neurologist doesn't surprise me. I have heard that BFS is awfully common among medical professionals. I can kind of see why.
 

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