Facing ALS Fears After EMG

RockSolidGuy89

Well-known member
mnay people on this board get a clean emg on their limbs and then have fears about bulbar onset als because their tongues weren't testedthey usually develop swallowing issues or tongue twitches or twitches in the mouth/lips etcI have some questions.1. If you have widespread fasciculations for a while and you get the all clear from them on your arms/legs then I assume the twitches in the face area would be similarily non-threatening2. for the people who do worry with perceived swallowing issues and perceived slurring, is there any gold standard test that can rule out bulbar or is it a case of wait and see and hope it doesn't get worse?3. I have read accounts of people who have had a few emgs and the ability to move their tongue around and still they went on to get bulbar, is there anything in the pathology of bfs that can rule out this possibility4. when i stick my tongue out, it goes out straight, although it is not 100% centre in proportion to my mouth i.e. it seems to be ever so slightly right to the right of the central mouth position but i can do all the tongue exercises, and swallowing and speaking are ok even though i overthink both these actions as if I am actively looking for issues - when should one be concerned enough about bulbar fears to demand a tongue emg?
 
I know... these symptoms can be very annoying. I'm also having issues with my tongue and throat (perceiving swallowing issues, etc.) and I hate it. Even yawing is stressful; my throat feels sore or tense when it happens. Every time I drink or eat I'm paying attention to it... I've had these "symptoms" a couple of times in the past and things got better, so I suppose I just need to be patient this time around...By the way, my face, lips and tongue also twitch quite regularly. Anyway, good luck :)
 
in fact best test was mentioned here few days ago (I can not remember where): 1) if you do not have to cope with swallowing CONSTANTLY and could be distracted even a few times a day; 2) if you do not have to eat one sandwich for few hours struggling to swallow it (however I read about people with a swallowing phobia - yes yes it also happens! - who managed to present that symptome being not paralysed but only feared of chocking!) 3) if it does not make worse quite soon (weeks/months), including simultaneous worsening of speech up to clear messing, inability to swallow liquids - to drooling like in a rabies, lost voice tone (not a hoarse voice but flat toneless one like in a person after stroke) etc/ etc. - it is not bulbar but neurogastral, anxiety GERD - whaterver.Bulbar palsy, as far as I understand, is not a feeling of tightness in the troat or pain (this is a symptome of esophagal or throat spasm), but first of all it is a matter of swallowing REFLEX died. When we swallow, the throat muscles open under the pressure of food or liquid - normally, but in case of ALS this fine chain of muscle actions is interrupted, and the throat completely CLOSES under that signal. That is why bulbar palsy victimes drool and can not eat and have to be placed on suction devices and gastrostoma. People in bulbar are chocking not because the food goes in not the right pipe, as it is often happens to us, but just because the throat is not opened under the pressure signal. That symptome must be felt like a real mess and must be awful... while absolute most of us still can swallow, however through some pain (in some cases bloody strong) and resistance caused by spasms, which, in turn, are caused by autonomous system hyperreactivity. We also swallow a lot of air and it causes tight feeling in a throat (and later might be put out as a burp - it is called aerophagia and it is also anxiety disorder symptome).fascial twithces practically mean that you have fascial muscles hyperexcited -and they can be induced even by slight tapping on fascial nerve (Chvostek sign), which most often (unless do not have epilepsy, tetanus, rabies or encephalitis) means that your muscles are hyprexcited due to much milder and benign reasons. with your particularly strong focus on the mouth, lips and throat they can twitch exactly because of that, and I am sure you are frequently open your mouth to see how it goes. So they have a lot of extra work and stretch and react. Many of us demonstrate Chvostek sign, for example Chrissi has it quite in a prominent way.(Please also remember that one for the fellows just recently was so persistent in looking on his tongue that he got a jaw dislodging. So be careful!)and we have herer even people who had their tongues tested and still fear about the bulbar. Alas! This is anxiety power!
 
I think I have lpr - last night i had nasal congestion and a sore throat and for the last few years on and off I have had mucus in the throat after eating, this is more reassuring for me - i never really had swallowing issues in the past but I have to say I think mine relate more to both ocd (focusing on every swallow) and mucus in the throat/lpr (occassionally bits of food feel like they are stuck) - i was also quite nasal and hoarse last night after eating spagetti bolognese when it seemed like loads of mucus filled up in my throat but I hear it is is best to avoid tomato-based recipes with lpr reflux, almost all the signals are pointing to some lpr or allergy based issue (had watery eyes yesterday and have sinus issues and allergies already this year) - voice is ok again todayI also read something about a top ENT specialist who recommended anti-depressent drugs rather than the usual ppi drugs to treat lpr or gerd issues so maybe it is worth investigating links between lpr/gerd and bfs, on top of all that a lot of people with lrp/gerd report that their symptoms started when they were exposed to some toxin
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top