Do BFS Strengthen Faith?

I am wondering since it seems as though many in this forum have a strong faith...

Has BFS- increased your faith and how or
Has BFS-decreased your faith and why do you think that is?

As for me, it totally increased mine. I am more aware of God being in control and His plans for me are good. No matter what, He has my best in mind. Before, I knew that, now I feel like I understand it and can agree with it to a degree that I couldn't before. I have been in a relationship with Jesus for 8 years, but through this I have gotten to know Him so much better.

How about you?

Lisa
 
Lisa,

I've always been a spiritual person, but I've never participated in organized religion. That being said, BFS has strengthened my spirituality. I think it is an expected response when someone is faced with the possibility of a terminal illness to search for a higher meaning to one's existence. Whatever the reason, I have grown more aware of my maker and his expectations of me and my life.

Good question,

Gary
 
I have been raised in a strong Christian home, within a strong Orthodox Christian church. My husband shares my religion and we practice it in our daily lives as we raise our family. Having said that, I am amazed at what BFS has done for my faith. I pray many times a day now and I am reading books on God and religion (including the bible) and find that this has shifted my focus entirely. I'm trying to do more for my friends and neighbors in need. God is at the center of my life instead of when I thought about it or sat down for a meal or said bed time prayers with the kids. The truth of the matter is that we are all in God's hands and I never felt that more poignantly than while facing my neuro appointments during this whole ordeal.

When I first got BFS, I was driving by a local Methodist church. They have this big billboard with a weekly message that said something like, "Nothing brings you closer to God like a good scare will." How true :) .

Ava
 
I don't do the "faith" thing very well, so it doesn't really affect me. Has god cured any of you yet? No.

I am not an athiest either, but as one of my buddies put it (who is a complete athiest) when he was doing some art work for a wealthy lady's bathroom set. The firing cure didn't come-out right, so the lady said god was punishing her for something, and my friend told her it was simply a temperature problem with the kiln and the glazes didn't set-up right and that he would do it all over again and fix it for her. She said she would pray for it to come-out better so she could have her bathroom finished.

A week later, he installed her new custom made sinks and bathtubs and she said it all came-out good because she prayed for it to happen. When I saw him that night, he hit the nail on the head when he said; "so if there is indeed a god and he was up in the heavens looking down, with children getting molested, raped, murdered and all kinds of "good", honest people getting robbed, killed and ridden with diseases and god said, "you know what? I think I'll make this lady's sink and tub come-out really good this time because she prayed to me", (as if none of the innocent children or good people that die every single day never prayed to get better or to have their lives spared).

Personally? I don't know that I would want to spend an "eternity" with such a god that has priorities in such a chaos. What if you get to heaven and he says "ha-ha, just kidding! I don't like you, you and you, so OUT", and he changed his mind, yet let other not so great people stay, just as he does here on earth?? Think about it. Can you trust a god that would allow some REALLY good people's child to get killed in some horrible murder yet let some piece of crap crank *beep* live-on to rob other's and to spread diseases around and be healthy until she was 80 or so? It happens all of the time. That is kind of odd to me and I would have to second question a god that would do or "allow" such things like that.

This is totally off topic and not the forum to be holding a conversation like this, but I just had to say that if "god" or "faith" had cured anyone with BFS, I sure haven't heard about it yet. Besides, BFS is a BENIGN condition. I would be upset at a god that would cure such a thing and let other's die of MUCH worse things. It's a free country though and I would defend your right to religon in high regards, just as much as I would defend my right to not hold religion with very high regards. Live and let live as they say...
 
I agree that it bothers me a lot when people pray for such selfish things (like bathroom fixtures). I guess these people truly don't realize what's important in life!
 
Bingo....I think everyone is hitting it on the head. Whether it's tied to 'worship' or not, BFS has probably made each and every one of us look at our lives and figure out what REALLY matters.

The beautiful thing about faith is that it doesn't have to be tied to a house of God. To me, faith is learning how to 'let go' of worries, thoughts and emotions that once consumed my life and prohibited me from truly living.

In the end, what good is your life if all you did was worry about what might happen to your health OR stress over why your neighbor put an ugly roof on their house OR why your in-laws are always such a pain....the list goes on and on and on and and on.....needless crap that really doesn't matter.

Our qualities of life are in our hands (and God's too if you choose to include Him). Having faith, God or no God, simply means you can let the bad stuff go and rid yourself of excess stress and anxiety that really doesn't matter once we're all six feet under.

It's all about giving as much love as you can to the world and especially to your family and friends! A lot of us feel like crap all the time--but I bet each and every one of us should be thanking our lucky stars for the blessings and fortunes life has given us. If BFS has caused you to change your perspective and realize what's important in life--then BFS has indeed brought added faith to your life. I've never been a totally religious person---but I get it. We do plan on bringing more religion into our home...not to be bible bangers...but certainly to help provide the right values to our children and to (hopefully) equip them with the mechanism of having faith. Whether they choose to worship God or not, I just want my kids to learn how to live fully, and I hope hope hope that they never waste as much time and anxiety over fears as I have this past year during my BFS experience.

Amy
 
Yes, bfs has taught me what's important in life. That is the good thing that came out of this. I've lost some faith in the church over the years (my priest was a pedophile and a jerk, My childhood sunday school teacher tried to date me etc, etc) but I do believe it's important to have faith and to always be a good person. I'm just happy w/the simple things in life now, and happy to be alive. I don't get upset about stupid things anymore.
 
Just my two cents worth, since this is a refreshingly different and stimulating topic...

I hear your points Aaron and I have pondered them myself from time to time. No matter what you believe, I think it pretty safe to say that there is no God that scripts it down to every little move we make, what we do each day, whether we will win tonight's lotto, or whether our pottery will turn out OK.

What I DO believe, though, is that we are all made in God's likeness, put here for a reason, and part of a bigger plan that includes our own death and ultimate reconciliation with him as a function of our faith and belief in His love for us. While we think it tragic when innocent, beautiful children die while murderers and rapists live until 80, if one truly believes that this is NOT all about what we do in this life, but that a close and beautiful relationship with God awaits those who put their faith in Him in a far more beautiful and lasting place, it lessens the tragedy and hopelessness of that equation. I very much believe this extends far beyond our world of the here and now, and what's fair or unfair feeling to us in this life is going to be meaningless when you factor in the concept of fairness in the next. If you believe that the murderer or rapist will never share in the grace of a holy death, then the 80 years of life (most of which is depraved, lonely and miserable anyway) hardly seems to matter much in the bigger picture.

In that regard, I do believe there is a subtle and beautiful "equity" to all that happens to us. Some of us were meant to live a long time, do good work, and pass God's challenges. For what reasons specifically, we may never know for sure. Others may face sudden illness, unexpected death or tragic circumstances; should they be loved, have loved and born unto faith in God's love, there is no tragedy - only peace...lasting and eternal.

I've stopped trying to figure out whether it's fair or not that we have to endure this stuff...or whether it is fair to wish I didn't have this when it is benign and harmless. What I do focus on is how much I owe to my God for every breath and every day, and how much I love Him and trust in His love for me. If I can truly commit to that faith, then it simply won't matter how this turns out because I have far greater things to focus my attention to - just like the grieving mother, etc.

I pray for all of you - even if the above is all gobbledygook, I can't imagine it goes wasted. Just some thoughts on a topic I feel very close to...

JG
 
Sure, anyone can PM me anytime. I don't mind. I can only answer when I have the time though.

Ava, I agree that sin might bring about the bad things in life, but then again, look at a LOT of "bad" people that have great lives. And there are a lot of them.

I have to say, I don't believe in "original sin". What Adam and Eve "supposeddly did", was one "minor" little thing, and I can't "love" a god that can't "get over it" already! THEY did that sin, NOT me! If god can't figure THAT out and he has this thing about wanting to punish ALL of his "children" for something they had no say or partaking in, than it should be OK for US to beat the hell out of ALL of our kids when one does something wrong, right? Let's BLANKET punish everyone when someone does something wrong and call it "original crime". Let's put EVERYONE in jail and that'll be the solution, OK?. After all, EVERYONE is born "condemned UNTIL you get baptized and KNOW god, so what's the difference?

I used to wear a shirt that said "Kill 'em all... Let God sort 'em out!" Isn't that kind of what God himself is saying. "Know me or you will rot in hell"??? Get rid of your "original sin" (that someone else did) or you will rot in hell!

Why would a "loving" and "forgiving" god punish ALL of his so called children since the beginning of time because of one minor little thing? I don't even like fruit!! Give me a Twinkie anyday!

Good people are good people, and there are good people all over the world that have never even heard about religion, (nor Christianity anyway), and if no one teaches them about it, how are they supposed to be able to go to heaven under god's name?

To me, what Christianity says is that even if you are the best, most giving, loving person in the world and you don't get baptized to make-up for some minor little furit eating thing that happened in the beginning of man kind, and you happen to not be taught about Christianity, you will rot in hell for an eternity. That to me, I have to say is complete BS.

If that were true, I wouldn't WANT to be with some "god" like that. What other little stupidities are you going to learn once you get to heaven?? You can't say one way or the other! What if you get to heaven and there's yet ANOTHER bible filled with all kinds of HEAVENLY accounts and it's an eternity of whacked-out, "mysteries", because afterall, it does say "God works in strange ways", right?

So, if a person is a good person yet never had the opportunity to learn about god, you mean he can't SEE that that person was a great soul, and he will condem him to hell anyway, just because he never got a chance to read some over exaggerated book and have a few drops of water poured on his forhead?

You also mean that God, the All mighty, loving one, who can FORGIVE a person for unbelievable sins (murder, adultry, stealing, etc.) just for asking for forgiveness, but he won't forgive a VERY good person for not having the OPPORTUNITY to know him? Or he can;t forgive EVERY SINGLE ONE of his children since Adam and Eve ate some fruit? That's the god the world loves? Real forgiving, isn't he! No thanks!

This is just MY opinion. If YOU want to believe that, that's your right. I am not slamming anyone or demeaning anyone for doing so. It is just as much your right as it is mine to believe what I want, and I won't make fun of it or demean you for it, nor would I expect to be made fun of myself, but I DO have questions and "issues" with things that just don't seem right, and I can't sit-by and not question things, so please don't take MY questioning as slamming. I am simply stating MY opinions and views on the matter. I have no problem what so ever with ANYONE believing what they want. You want to go kill yourself so your soul can go fly away to some UFO hidden in the Hale Bop commet's tail? Go right ahead. Can I have your car and jewelery after you're gone though? :LOL: Afterall, you won't be needing any of those anymore.

Also, on praying. Is it safe to say that If I robbed a bank and while being chased in my get away car, I keep saying out loud; " God, don't let them catch me, God let me get away!", and if I do get away, were MY prayers answered?? Think about it. So... I am going to rob someone so I can get some more drugs because I need another fix, and I say, God don't let me get caught or hurt. All I want is some more drugs", and I rob and stab someone to get their money. Did God answer my prayers? I mean, come-on! People will say, "God will take care of me" or "Its' all in god's hands now". So I guess God takes care of loser druggies, thieves, rapists and murderer's too because they pray??? :rolleyes: Afterall, "it's all in HIS hands", right?

A LOT of drive-by gang banger's wear crosses around their necks, go to church on Sunday and are VERY religious, to the point where usually only a padre can venture into their turf without concequences, yet they steal, rape, kill and do all kinds of other bad things to innocent people, including children, so because they pray and go to church and all of that hokus pokus, they are going to go to heaven because they ask for forgiveness? I'll tell you what then, I'll be the baddest, meanest, thug on the planet and do what I please at the expense of everyone else, and at the very last minute, before I take my last breath, I'll say I love God and ask for "forgiveness" and see where I end-up.

It just doesn't make any sense to me, and if God wants people to know him and to love him, he needs to make things a little more clear and not by some old book that's been rewritten a thousand times, mis-interpeted by laungages that don't have vocabulaires like we have today, and full of "fish stories" that get exagerated everytime someone re-tells the story. How big was that fish again? Yeah, I didn't think it was THAT big! EVERY story get's exaggerated. You can't even tell one small sentence to 10 people in a circle and have it come back the same, so how can you say that what someone said 2,000 - 4,000+ years ago even happened? Especially since way back then, people were REAL naieve, uneducated and un-worldly. What maybe have seemed like a "miracle" to them, might have only been a small scientific phenomenon or some Las Vegas illusion of some sort. We weren't there, so we can't say for sure.

Ever see a car accident and hear the stories of how it happened? You'll ask 10 people the same question and they all saw 10 similar, yet completely different things. Doesn't it seem logical that this very same thing is how the bible miracles have happened? Why did so many things happen so long ago, and nothing "substantial" has happened since then? Could it be that we are wiser now and don't view lightning or some burining bush as a godly event? After all, it strikes the earth some 6,000,000 times a day on average and causes major forest fires, not just some small bush in the middle of the desert. So what else was supposed to burn around it, the sand? If you saw an airplane back then, they would have thought it was god.

Again, I'm not saying there isn't a god or some kind of higher being, but I think were here on our own and it's up to us to be as good as we can to each other. I do believe though, that the bible is a little far fetched and has quite a few "fish stories" in it. After all, it was written by PEOPLE that either saw the accounts or "heard" about the accounts.

Ask your husband how big that fish was that got away, or how fast his car was when he was a kid, and see how his own stories change, now turn that into a "godly" story about a "miracle" and see how awesome it becomes. Then have your foreign friend translate it into their language, then into another one and back to English again and see what has become of that story. Now print, reprint and re-write it over and over again and see how more off the truth it gets. That's all I am saying...
 
I just had to add one other thing I forgot to say in my post,

I don't believe that God sits upon a mighty throne judging this one, and that one, and this one will get a disease, and that one will be famous, etc.

I believe we were given free will (as the STORY of Adam and Eve illustrates) Yes, I believe the bible has stories that aren't meant to be taken literally, but are moral points that are illustrated. I don't really know, since I wasn't there. Maybe there really was a Garden of Eden? Who am I to say?

I can only speak for myself when I say that my faith is just what it is. I can't provide facts, or proof. I can only say what I believe in comes from my heart, and I believe that good and evil both exist. I do also believe in the power of prayer.

I also can't believe I posted this. It is NICE to have a truly adult discussion, but I generally stay far, far away from religion and politics. I must be bored this evening! ;)

Okay, enough from me. Hope your week is going well.
 
Great discussion!

One thing that's always interested me about the Adam and Eve story - if they were forbidden from eating the fruit from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, how could they be held accountable for the crime when before they ate the fruit they didn't know the difference between good and evil? The whole point of eating the fruit was that it "made them like God" and taught them the difference between right and wrong, yet in the story God acts like they should be able to know it is wrong to eat the fruit prior to eating it!

Granted, I am a non-believer, but I just find it hard to understand how anyone can take this story literally.

Pardon my theological musings.

-Robbie
 
Hi all...

I was just reading my newspaper...and interestingly, our TV critic is discussing a show that will air tonight and next Wed on PBS called "Does God Exist".

He says it's a refreshing show with two opposing viewpoints (based on works from Sigmund Freud and C.S. Lewis). He says: "There is no right answer here, no positics or preaching, just enormous, eloquently asked questions: What does it mean to be moral? Why is there so much evil in the world? Is death our destiny? What is faith? Is there a God?"

A panel of distinguished people hold an interesting discussion. My TV critic adds that: "One of the most captivating people on the panel is FreddieTheFox S. Lee, an infectiously pleasant Harvard physician anda man of science who cannot understand how a God could allow so much human pain, yet has unshakable faith."

Should make for an interesting show that goes hand in hand with this thread of discussion. I live in Northern California--so I don't know if this program is being shown nationwide. Check your local PBS listings, as they say....

Amy
 
They should have stayed away from the tree because God told them to, not because they knew better. They didn't know better, but God told them not to touch it. Eve's first response to the serpent was proper. God told us not to eat from that tree. The lure of being "like god" was too tempting for Eve. It is too tempting for us even today as we look at science and how people try to create things they can't. (cloning) We are not God, we never will be, we will never even get close to His Greatness, nor should we try. I think it takes society down a very scary road when we put ourselves above our Maker.
Just as we know better than our children that they should not run in front of a moving car, God knew they should not eat from that tree. It brought sin into the world, hence, the penalty of sin is death. Blood needs to be shed. That is why the Isrealites had to sacrifice a perfect lamb, to cleanse them from their sins. Jesus was the perfect Lamb, cleansing us from our sins. No more sacrifice is need. He completed it. My flesh will die, but I will live on in Heaven with Him. I believe the Adam and Eve story literally happened. God placed that tree there to give them a choice, which we also have. By the way, the reason Jesus is able to cover us all is because He is GOD! He took our place.
We can choose to live for Him or not.

I am glad that no one has been offended by any of the posts. It is great to have a nice conversation, even if our beliefs don't match.
 
It's Ok that our views don't match or that we agree or disagree with each other. That's what makes this "free country" such a nice place, and idiots like those wrap heads in Iraq that want to kill everyone that doesn't follow Allah, such whacko's. You can believe what you want to believe, and I can believe what I want to believe and no one has to ridicule (or kill each other) for it. I don't beat the hell out of Jehova's Witnesses when they come knocking on my door at 7 am on Sunday mornings (the ONLY day I get to sleep-in. I do leave my nasty dog out sometimes and HE takes care of them though :LOL: I don't make fun of Mormon's for not drinking drinks with caffeine in them or celebrating birthday's. If that what they want to do? Then that's their choice.

I think in the Adam and Eve thing though, neither one of them must have had belly a button and Adam must not have had a "tally whacker", being that Eve was a secondary after-thought, (why would you NEED a weener if you weren't first designed to reproduce?) and I have to say as well, that God might have warned them a little more of the "severity" of the sin of eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. I mean to tell a little white lie isn't exactly the same as murdering someone. It's also a minor little thing to to accidentally see a beautiful person and have amoment of lust (which it clearly says in the bible to not lust after another mans woman), yet it's a different story to grab her and rape her, yet if you knew that doing even the minor little one had the same outcome as the worst one (condemned to hell or causing the entire population of the rest of man kind of have an "original sin" from that poiint-on), is a little "out there" (to me anyway) and extreme.

That goes hand in hand with "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out". I mean, come-on, they ate a little fruit for god's sake. Let it go. It's not like Adam invented the first gun and decided to shoot and kill everything living thing that walked the planet, or that he caught the Garden of Eden on fire and burned it all to a pile of ashes when he lit his new invention, called the "cigatrette". They ate a little fruit and were coaxed by Satan himself, so if God is all "loving" and "forgiving" he sure didn;t forgive them much, Kind of makes me wonder how much he's going to "forgive" all of you out there that follow "his word". Maybe he'll cast you out of heaven because he is so forgiving.

That's the mystery of God I guess. I didn't say I was a non believer. I just said I don't believe in "god hokus-pokus", or that god answers prayers of some and not for other's. Stand in front of an on-coming truck on the freeway and pray all you want. If the driver can't stop in time or swerve, you are going to be his new hood ornament and a new brown stain in that lane.

I'm sure all of the kids on Russia that just got killed by those loser cowards with the explosives, prayed too, but it didn't do them much good either, but some of the *beep* terrorists got away scott free. If God is such the "all might one", I dont care if he works in strange ways or not, he needs to get off his butt and get some of that lightning of his and vaporize those bastards. He made the earth shake in the battle of Jericho for a few people, I think it's time for him to start making things like that happen again, like cause an earth quake and cave-in Bin Laden's hideout with him and his loser cronies in it!

Whether you believe or not, it is nice to have a "nice" conversation about this subject. Like I said before, this is America and it's nice that people can have their OWN opinions and feelings without a government or a religion or someone looking over their shoulder, telling them what they can or can't do.
 
i disagree. I think prayer has been one of the only things to help me cope through some really fearful times. It reminds me of God's faithfulness and His promises to me. Prayer and reading scripture. That is my medicine. Granted, I don't have anything serious going on, but if I did, I would pray for the same attitude. God stretches me and grows me. Fear was one of the things He took the benefit of. Fear is not from God, but He will use it and good will come. Glory to HIM for that.
 
I am a spiritual person. That said, I am also an atheist, so I don't buy into faith much.

Interestingly, the view by many here is based on Christianity. What if Christians are wrong, and Muslims have it right? Alonzo wonders why god hasn't caused an earthquake to cave in Bin Laden's hideout. Maybe god is on his side? Maybe the Qur'an is right and the Bible is wrong? Who knows? I doubt both, because both the Qur'an and the Bible are filled with contradictions, inconsistencies, and factual errors. I could just as easily say that the universe was created by the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Or Zeus, for that matter. Who could prove me wrong?

As a scientist, I just can't abandon my rational and critical thinking at the church door.

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It's tough for me to refrain from moving this post to The Lounge, but I will let it remain for now, since it remotely touches on dealing with BFS and other hardships.

However, I would ask that, as has been the case so far for the most part, that this be kept a civil discussion.

My main purpose for this board is to discuss BFS and support those who suffer with it. I don't want it to stray from that mission, as so we don't miss the chance to help people.

So, Please ask yourself before posting "with this post, am I adding to the discussion, or just taking a jab and someone with differing views?" If it's the later, don't bother.

That having been said, here's my addition to the conversation in the interest of furthering it in a more nuanced direction:
Please consider the viewpoints that you hold. Ask yourself if you really given serious study and thought in a truly empirical way to those views, or are they a result of convenience?

For those who believe in God, we have to ask ourselves, am I projecting on God what I think He should be (which bears with it the obvious implication of my own flawed persona, for who can call themselves perfect?) or am I allowing myself to see who He is?

For the record in the interest of full disclosure: I am currently Deacon at a Reformed and conservative Presbyterian church in Philadelphia, and I believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I don't believe that you have to leave you understanding of science at the church door (and we have many people in the congregation who, as true leaders (in some cases true household names) in their fields: medicine, academics, the sciences, etc.) would agree. We can and should certain have those discussions within the pale of orthodoxy. People of greater stature than us certainly have. Do we know what they said?

I believe that God does what will bring him glory, even though often that is impossible for us to understand. Sometimes He answers our prayer in the way we would like, sometimes He doesn't. But in any case, it's what is needed, no matter how large or small the prayer, and no matter how hard it is for us to understand. Remember, He is the only one that knows the big picture.
 

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