ALS vs. Progressive Bulbar Palsy

joeyate1

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Dear Dr. Belsh: Because my only problem is with my speech and swallowing, I was told that I have “progressive bulbar palsy”. Subsequently, I was told that I have ALS. Which do I have? Is the prognosis any worse for the bulbar palsy type?
Dr. Belsh answers:

Patients with ALS generally present with symptoms referable either to the limb or bulbar muscles. Bulbar complaints will consist of speech difficulty, swallowing difficulty, or a combination of both. Muscles of the throat, tongue, jaw, and face are known as bulbar because the area of the brain that controls these muscles – the lower brainstem – was once known as the bulb. Motor neuron cells in the bulb, just like motor neuron cells in the spinal cord, degenerate and die in ALS, resulting in weakness and wasting of the bulbar muscles. About 25% of ALS patients begin their disease with so-called “bulbar onset”. In classical ALS, typically, 75 – 85% of patients eventually will develop bulbar symptoms and signs.

When a patient presents with bulbar symptoms only, this is often called progressive bulbar palsy (PBP), a condition originally described by the renown French neurologist, G. Duchenne in 1860. Whether it is classified as a separate entity or as a “subtype” of ALS, most clinicians agree that pure PBP, with absolutely no clinical or EMG evidence of abnormalities in the arms or legs, is extremely rare. In other words, most patients who begin with purely bulbar difficulties will eventually develop the more widespread symptoms and signs of typical ALS.

Because patients with bulbar-onset ALS have difficulty swallowing and may choke or aspirate frequently, (with resultant pneumonia) it has been found generally that these patients carry a poorer prognosis than those with more classical ALS. However, much longer courses of bulbar-onset ALS have been reported. In my experience, I have seen many patients with bulbar onset who can manage their disease quite well and do not develop any sign of limb weakness for at least 2-5 years.
 
joeyata1,

interesting stuff, but if you have ever twitched in any body part below the neck, you have nothing to worry about. The fact that people with bulbar onset can go years without limb weakness means nothing to those of us with BFS. Pretty much everyone here has had a normal or basically normal emg and that rules out als. If you have twitched in a muscle and it was caused by als, you would show abnormalities on emg. One thing you can't do is have bulbar onset and continue to talk or swallow or drink for years. A person suffering from bulbar would have clear signs and sxs pretty quick, not years for sure. They might not lose function of their arms for two years, but they would lose their voice or ability to eat/drink.

Whatever you guys here do, don't worry about this post. If you have bulbar onset, you would know before you ever started twitching.

Take care,

Gary
 
true you'd know immediately you had a problem.i was jsugt suprised you could have als and not have limb weakness for years but you're correct not being able to swallow would send you to doc real fast so you wouldn't have time agonize and wonder like many of us did for along time
 
how it relates is i was always under the impression that als started with either weakness in the arms and legs or falling down followed by twitching and the death of ones muscles. so one could have weakness of the throat area for a while and not have any weakness throughout the body. so one would not suspect als for along time.
 
In those cases you wouldn't be twitching all over w/out weakness and have a normal emg. If you twitch because of als you would have weakness & abnormal emg. If you have this type bulbar als twitching is not related so it has nothing to do w/our bfs.
 

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