I went to 4 days fasting, mainly because I wanted to clean myself, I am having stomach/colon irritation and I just decided I would clean a little. I also wanted to see if my BFS improves a little, because if I do not eat 4 days the immediate "poisioning" from some alergen will be gone and I would at least show some less problems...I drink 100% carrot juice and 100% orange juice and of course a lot of water, no food.First day way OK (Ok, I was and am hungry), since day 2 I become a twitching christmass tree. I twitch in hips (old spot that lasted for months till september 2012), I thitch under knee, calves, thigh, hands, at night I wake up and am on left side and my left shoulder stars twitching and I turn to right my right shoulder starts etc... You get the picture I guess. I had this many random twitches everywhere a year ago, before hotspots even started.To say it easy, since day 2 (I am last day now) I thitch like crazy, other symptoms stayed the same. I am like a christmass lamp. I see there is a fact twitching is not from any food, it should be at least same if not better, certanly not 500% worse.I am not sure if this is a random cycle in BFS and the start of fasting was coincidence or it is some how a stress on the body (not eating) and my body is used to react to stress by twitching and pain. I'll write here if it get's any better after I resume eating, although I plan now to eat by Montignac what is considered a healty diet, not to loose weight (I am not overweight) but to eat more healthy. I plan not to eat any sugar, white flour and alcohol for 1 month according to Montignac plan.I'll let you know how BFS goes.Does anybody out there have any own experiences how fasting affected your BFS?
4 Days Fasting for Detoxing
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I have had very similar experience. I too tried to "detoxicate" myself but I observed the same result - the more hungry I was, the worse the twitching got. Maybe there is a fast decline in levels of "something" which affects the twitching? Maybe, on the other hand, the increasing hunger and subsequent body reaction causes the twitching to be worse. I wold love to know..EDIT: Just realized - the morning twitching attacks when we roll over in the bed: isnt that the time we are the most hungry (from the body perspective you have not eaten in like 6-9 hours depending on the sleep lenght).
christinasgirl123
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Jerry, eating nothing and then drinking juices that habe a high amount of sugar like carrot and orange causes immense ups and downs in your blood sugar level. This is hard work for your body, and after every juice with a high blood sugar level, the insuline causes a short hypoglycemia which leads to adrenaline release and neuro symptoms. If you want to do this, I would rather choose juices with a much lower sugar content ( veggies) and maybe additional isotonic broth.
Hi Jerry,as you are hungry, with low level sugar etc, no wonder that your body just reacts on that as if it would be a common stress.As for fasting (especially strict one), my own point of view is that before doing that one should be very careful and at least do not attempt rapid change of nutrition mode. As far as I read somwhere, person must slowly go in and slowly go out, following a certain schedule, so full 4 days fasting for example may take 8-10 days in total.(by the way 100% orange juice is quite acidic so I am not sure your stomach would be happy 
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(( hope you did not overuse them. Please be careful.)Really, you read the title and knew the result? I am not fasting anymore but still twitching even in sleep and I wake up my hands are just going bezerk.You say I should drink only vegetable juice, but carrot is a vegetable. And the sugar in it is fructose not regular sugar, does that not count?I read you had a good results with juicing, what do you juice then if not also carrots and oranges? There are not that many vegetables to juice at the end of the day! Bananas also too much sugar I guess...The da*n fasting had effect on my twithing it seems and my hands "joints" are all in pain now. And I cough again (I had flu before 1 month). I didn't know fasting is so much stress for the body I read only good things about it to clean the stomach.And it was not like I was drinking orange juice all day long 
Most was water.Anyway, I have to come back to "normal" now What kind of "diet" and joice do you use, TwitchBFS? You had the opposite effect for BFS than me.PS - I stopped eating sugar altogether now. I think fructose is not the same sugar than regular white sugar. If it is for yeast I can not eat oranges, bannanas, dry fruits and not substitute fructose for sugar at all?!PS2 - I hope I at least proved it is not ALS what is troubling me.
I read only good things about it to clean the stomach.And it was not like I was drinking orange juice all day long Most was water.Anyway, I have to come back to "normal" now What kind of "diet" and joice do you use, TwitchBFS? You had the opposite effect for BFS than me.PS - I stopped eating sugar altogether now. I think fructose is not the same sugar than regular white sugar. If it is for yeast I can not eat oranges, bannanas, dry fruits and not substitute fructose for sugar at all?!PS2 - I hope I at least proved it is not ALS what is troubling me.My twitching goes apesh*t when I'm hungry. It's definitely blood glucose related. Juicing removes much of the fiber from veggies anyway...it's alright in moderation, but it's better to try to eat the veggies whole and raw, if possible. Stay away from juicing fruit, like others have said...way too much sugar, but I'm sure you know that by now. BFS is so much trial and error. I hope you are feeling better now.
Not really, no, and I have diahhroea, but it will be better I trust it will!This has been a mistake, I see that. It may be coincidence because my symtoms are better and worse all the time so I may just have the worse period, but I do believe fasting had something to do with it. But I am no better 12 hours after fasting.So the question is: What should I eat and drink then? Are fruits (not juice) ok? They still contain sugar. I want to stop eating sugar (only fructose) which seems to do me no good. I want to eat healthy so I will remove sugar and wheat from meals, but I am scared now, if this is again something bad and I will have more pain and twitching (I am not sure the wierd joint/tendon pain is related to twitching, as both go up at the same time).Any help with eating would be appreciated. I just wanted to eat more healthy and I know sugar and white wheat are not the best things with high glicemic index. Diet by Montignac is diet which is controlling blood sugar and pancreas. But yes, he is NOT advising to drink fruit juice either, I am not sure about carrot juice.
I trust it will!This has been a mistake, I see that. It may be coincidence because my symtoms are better and worse all the time so I may just have the worse period, but I do believe fasting had something to do with it. But I am no better 12 hours after fasting.So the question is: What should I eat and drink then? Are fruits (not juice) ok? They still contain sugar. I want to stop eating sugar (only fructose) which seems to do me no good. I want to eat healthy so I will remove sugar and wheat from meals, but I am scared now, if this is again something bad and I will have more pain and twitching (I am not sure the wierd joint/tendon pain is related to twitching, as both go up at the same time).Any help with eating would be appreciated. I just wanted to eat more healthy and I know sugar and white wheat are not the best things with high glicemic index. Diet by Montignac is diet which is controlling blood sugar and pancreas. But yes, he is NOT advising to drink fruit juice either, I am not sure about carrot juice.Hi jerry,in fact eating is very individual thing. Do not afraid of fruits, becasue they are not made of sugar at least of suchrose, but contain also useful vitamines, fibers, microelements and a lot of joy and preasure which is a necessary vitamine for anybody. Everything is good if balanced.I personally do not have any big differernce regarding sugar consumption, but vice versa - because I started to lose weight at the first phase of BFS, I decided later that I can eat more sweats, and I did in fact eat all what I quit in few years before - pastry, sweet ginger (I am crazy about it), sweets of all kinds 
)) and my twitches subsided GREATLY. I also gained my lost weight back!Mostly I believe because at the same time I did speaking therapy, took antianxies and generally relaxed myself a lot.Any exclusive diet to be honest can not be regarded as positive (of course unless you do not have chronic coditions excluding certain type of food or nutritional agents by strict medical indications). Yep our ancestors were caveman, but we are not for a thousands of years already, eating processed (cooked) food and cultured plants and used to that. Yep japanese people live over 80 years average on rice and raw fish but they have massive myopia, specific cancers etc. Asian people can not efficeintly digest ethanol - while caucasians can. Some nations can not drink milk after 5yo and some live on meat and milk mostly. You can not adopt any practice not being careful and critical.Good way is to look on eating practices occuring in your nearest environment for last few centuries at least. With certain changes they still can be a good basis for personal (and personalised) diet.I can advice also to use pubmed site and look here by search engine, becasue pubmed holds all scientifically organised clinical studies, therefore all papers regarding nutrition there were better or worse but proved by medical stats, not by stats of self-procalimed nutirtion guru. I can not recall what exactly, but I believe there are at least two approaches scientifically proven as good nutritional practices, so you definitely can found them on pubmed.
)) and my twitches subsided GREATLY. I also gained my lost weight back!Mostly I believe because at the same time I did speaking therapy, took antianxies and generally relaxed myself a lot.Any exclusive diet to be honest can not be regarded as positive (of course unless you do not have chronic coditions excluding certain type of food or nutritional agents by strict medical indications). Yep our ancestors were caveman, but we are not for a thousands of years already, eating processed (cooked) food and cultured plants and used to that. Yep japanese people live over 80 years average on rice and raw fish but they have massive myopia, specific cancers etc. Asian people can not efficeintly digest ethanol - while caucasians can. Some nations can not drink milk after 5yo and some live on meat and milk mostly. You can not adopt any practice not being careful and critical.Good way is to look on eating practices occuring in your nearest environment for last few centuries at least. With certain changes they still can be a good basis for personal (and personalised) diet.I can advice also to use pubmed site and look here by search engine, becasue pubmed holds all scientifically organised clinical studies, therefore all papers regarding nutrition there were better or worse but proved by medical stats, not by stats of self-procalimed nutirtion guru. I can not recall what exactly, but I believe there are at least two approaches scientifically proven as good nutritional practices, so you definitely can found them on pubmed.Hi jerry,in fact eating is very individual thing. Do not afraid of fruits, becasue they are not made of sugar at least of suchrose, but contain also useful vitamines, fibers, microelements and a lot of joy and preasure which is a necessary vitamine for anybody. Everything is good if balanced.I personally do not have any big differernce regarding sugar consumption, but vice versa - because I started to lose weight at the first phase of BFS, I decided later that I can eat more sweats, and I did in fact eat all what I quit in few years before - pastry, sweet ginger (I am crazy about it), sweets of all kinds )) and my twitches subsided GREATLY. I also gained my lost weight back!Mostly I believe because at the same time I did speaking therapy, took antianxies and generally relaxed myself a lot.Any exclusive diet to be honest can not be regarded as positive (of course unless you do not have chronic coditions excluding certain type of food or nutritional agents by strict medical indications). Yep our ancestors were caveman, but we are not for a thousands of years already, eating processed (cooked) food and cultured plants and used to that. Yep japanese people live over 80 years average on rice and raw fish but they have massive myopia, specific cancers etc. Asian people can not efficeintly digest ethanol - while caucasians can. Some nations can not drink milk after 5yo and some live on meat and milk mostly. You can not adopt any practice not being careful and critical.Good way is to look on eating practices occuring in your nearest environment for last few centuries at least. With certain changes they still can be a good basis for personal (and personalised) diet.I can advice also to use pubmed site and look here by search engine, becasue pubmed holds all scientifically organised clinical studies, therefore all papers regarding nutrition there were better or worse but proved by medical stats, not by stats of self-procalimed nutirtion guru. I can not recall what exactly, but I believe there are at least two approaches scientifically proven as good nutritional practices, so you definitely can found them on pubmed.
)) and my twitches subsided GREATLY. I also gained my lost weight back!Mostly I believe because at the same time I did speaking therapy, took antianxies and generally relaxed myself a lot.Any exclusive diet to be honest can not be regarded as positive (of course unless you do not have chronic coditions excluding certain type of food or nutritional agents by strict medical indications). Yep our ancestors were caveman, but we are not for a thousands of years already, eating processed (cooked) food and cultured plants and used to that. Yep japanese people live over 80 years average on rice and raw fish but they have massive myopia, specific cancers etc. Asian people can not efficeintly digest ethanol - while caucasians can. Some nations can not drink milk after 5yo and some live on meat and milk mostly. You can not adopt any practice not being careful and critical.Good way is to look on eating practices occuring in your nearest environment for last few centuries at least. With certain changes they still can be a good basis for personal (and personalised) diet.I can advice also to use pubmed site and look here by search engine, becasue pubmed holds all scientifically organised clinical studies, therefore all papers regarding nutrition there were better or worse but proved by medical stats, not by stats of self-procalimed nutirtion guru. I can not recall what exactly, but I believe there are at least two approaches scientifically proven as good nutritional practices, so you definitely can found them on pubmed.Gracely, thank you for your honest answer Apart from BFS I am having and had have far before BFS chronic diahhroeas and stomach pain and flatulence (extreme), so something my body dones't like in food I think. SOme say it is yeats like candida overgrowth and they live on sugar, alcohol and white wheat. And I eat that a lot.I was on gastroscopy, coloscopy some years ago, the found nothing only small alergic reaction in colon, can be of cleaning they told me.I was now thinking the IBS and BFS can be conected somehow and my IBS led to BFS. IBS = Irritable bowel syndrom as I was officially diagnosed with and functional dyspepsia after gastroscopy revealed my stomach pain is not in fact caused by a visible stomach problem of any kind (no ulcer, no inflammation and never was, there would be scarves they told me my stomach is like from a baby)...
Apart from BFS I am having and had have far before BFS chronic diahhroeas and stomach pain and flatulence (extreme), so something my body dones't like in food I think. SOme say it is yeats like candida overgrowth and they live on sugar, alcohol and white wheat. And I eat that a lot.I was on gastroscopy, coloscopy some years ago, the found nothing only small alergic reaction in colon, can be of cleaning they told me.I was now thinking the IBS and BFS can be conected somehow and my IBS led to BFS. IBS = Irritable bowel syndrom as I was officially diagnosed with and functional dyspepsia after gastroscopy revealed my stomach pain is not in fact caused by a visible stomach problem of any kind (no ulcer, no inflammation and never was, there would be scarves they told me my stomach is like from a baby)...IBS is definitely one of our best friends it is mentioned as true comorbid condition for many anxiety disorders, and because anxiety is still tightly related to BFS, not wonder that you have it.Feel quite sorry for you because my granny had IBS (coupled to anxiety and obsessive ideas by the way!) for her last 20 years of life and that was a real torture. She by the way almost drained herself dry sitting on oatmeal and bananas diet but died finally at 88 because of stroke! She never had proper PTSD and anxiety treatement however (I mention PTSD because she survived WWII as a hospital nurse and had a lot of severer stresses of course), otherwise probably she'd die at the same late years mut much more happy and delighted with life...
it is mentioned as true comorbid condition for many anxiety disorders, and because anxiety is still tightly related to BFS, not wonder that you have it.Feel quite sorry for you because my granny had IBS (coupled to anxiety and obsessive ideas by the way!) for her last 20 years of life and that was a real torture. She by the way almost drained herself dry sitting on oatmeal and bananas diet but died finally at 88 because of stroke! She never had proper PTSD and anxiety treatement however (I mention PTSD because she survived WWII as a hospital nurse and had a lot of severer stresses of course), otherwise probably she'd die at the same late years mut much more happy and delighted with life...christinasgirl123
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Jerry, it is not so much about following a specific plan, it is more about finding out what is good for you. Fruit juices (adding carrots as they have so much sugar although they are veggies) put lots of stress on your body, especially when yout stomach was emty. Because the sugar gets in your blood almost immediately. So for fruits, it is a better choice to eat them as a whole. Or as a smoothie if drank. The fibers that are in them make the digestion slower and so you will not have the immense problems as in fruit juice. The insuline problem exists as most fruits have an almost equal amount of glucose and fructose, so it is not only frucose. And oranges have a relatively high amount of sugar, e.g. compared with pears . So the benefits of juicing in veggies (getting the concentrate) are just not the same for fruits (concentrated sugars). But still, this is a BFS board and not a "healthy living" board. Be careful with fruits and veggies if you have IBS. Fibers are healthy, but for anIBS gut often too much stress. As Yuliaris said, we are all different and our bodies handle things differently.
sure I had no pains in tescticles, God blessed me with other strange things ))I've read somwhere that youngsters often have chest nodules (even taken for sarcoidodis) which then subside with the age, and you seem to be a live confirmation.As for comparing WWII and today's life... I've got GAD fullsize in 6yo only because my parents once decided to distract me and leave for three days vacation. One can say it is nothing. For me it changed the whole life. According to contemporary ideas, PTSD should not be considered as exclusive consequence of war exposure, home violence or sexual abuse. Any stress leaves a scar. Considering that lot of us have anxiety as inherent condition, well, we should not think we are not stressed.I personally live surrounded by anxious people, I am an active person of this forum which is a textbook of anxiety disorders, and sometimes it seems to me that TH WHOLE WORLD is anxious. But this is not true of course and therer are blessed people who are not.However...Our condition is definitely an advantage from biological point of view. it a) makes us witty, quick, proactive, energized, even physically strong etc. b) does not cut our lives prematurely (usually). Always alert = longer lives. We started to get all disadvantages of that type of mind only recently, maybe massively in the last 50-100 years, but before it was excellent adaptation issue.
))I've read somwhere that youngsters often have chest nodules (even taken for sarcoidodis) which then subside with the age, and you seem to be a live confirmation.As for comparing WWII and today's life... I've got GAD fullsize in 6yo only because my parents once decided to distract me and leave for three days vacation. One can say it is nothing. For me it changed the whole life. According to contemporary ideas, PTSD should not be considered as exclusive consequence of war exposure, home violence or sexual abuse. Any stress leaves a scar. Considering that lot of us have anxiety as inherent condition, well, we should not think we are not stressed.I personally live surrounded by anxious people, I am an active person of this forum which is a textbook of anxiety disorders, and sometimes it seems to me that TH WHOLE WORLD is anxious. But this is not true of course and therer are blessed people who are not.However...Our condition is definitely an advantage from biological point of view. it a) makes us witty, quick, proactive, energized, even physically strong etc. b) does not cut our lives prematurely (usually). Always alert = longer lives. We started to get all disadvantages of that type of mind only recently, maybe massively in the last 50-100 years, but before it was excellent adaptation issue.Hehe, I am not sure if I am any stronger, I am weaker because of all the pain in hands, feet... ;-(About anxiety: true, even saying no to a boy can be stresfull for him. But then again: So much stress in life and not everybody twitches. Everybody should be twitching then.