10 Months with Nerve Hyperexcitabilty

ranpaumme

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Hello everyone: I outlined my situation about end of Mar 05, I am now 10 full months into a bit of a dilemma. Yes, I was officially told I had BFS, BFCS or peripheral nerve hyperexcitabilty, whatever you want to call it. However I am not a bit better and 99.9% of my problems are from my right elbow to my fingertips. None of this bilateral, all over, get better, change location, etc stuff that everybody seems to have but me. That's why I am so concerned.
Persistent fine fasics right thumb, almost 24/7, probably suppressed by Klonopin temporarily. These date from day 1. I had right first dorsal interosseous fasics for a while, but these are now rare although this muscle will ache, especially with effort, as does the thumb. This was all I had at my first workup with Canada's largest ALS clinic, although they found fascics in these, and some right leg muscles,and a run of repetitive discharges in my right thumb.
Last few months, I noticed very fine twitches along the sides of the fingers of my right hand--several times a weeks, not extremely persistent, also twitching in my right hypothenar eminence (pinky pad at the wrist--usually one spot deep inside but often very persistent for days, will always come back after a while. In fact, there probably isn't a single hand and wrist muscle on the right that hasn't twitched in the last 6 months. Also, the biggish muscles of my forearm near the inner and outer side of the elbow have shown repeated twitches, often very fine, but the outer one once twitched with rapid thumpers that went on for about 18 hours straight a few weeks ago, haven't recurred and scared the s*** out of me while it was going on.
All the while, I have noticed very easy fatigueability of my right hand and and forearm, any sort of activity like swimming or even light weight lifting and my right hand/forearm would feel very tired and aching, sometimes for days. Things feel heavier when I hold them in my right hand. There is a background feeling of distress in the hand/forearm that is virtually constant, sort of a mixture of aching, tightness, about to crampishness(no actual cramp though), so I can say my right arm has not felt normal now since Oct 04, like even for a moment--there is always this weird feeling there. MY left hand and arm feel normal, except for 2 or 3 very brief episodes of fascics in the thumb/ forearm, last time a few weeks ago. None of that weakness/fatigue feeling.
I have those hand grip things, and can't detect any weakness with either whole hand or pairs of fingers, on either side. I'm the guy whose dominant right hand has a smaller thumb muscle but there is no weakness and no change in any muscle size over 10 months for what it's worth.
I had my local neuro check me out in June 05 because I was going crazy with worry--she's not an ALS specialist, but found nothing clinically or on EMG. Put me on more Klonopin which helps somewhat. I'm just not getting even a teensy bit better though, and with virtually everything going on from the right elbow down, I insisted on a followup at the ALS clinic which will be early Oct 05, almost one year exactly since this all started and began destroying my sanity. Oh yeah, one thing neuros my do to test your intrinsic hand muscles is put a slip of paper between two fingers and ask you to hold it while they pull it out--there's not much strength to start with, but I guess I did OK.
I suspect the ALS guys will find nothing on clinical exam (although I could be wrong), and the EMG will be not perfectly normal, but probably will not show denervation changes, so I may end up being told the same thing I was in Jan 05, ie BFCS,PNH. However, my worst fears could be realized--why can't this be early limb onset ALS--being a doctor and a hypochondricac means I don't usually wait too long and I usually go the top, making me an atypical patient who might be showing up a bit too early for a diagnosis to be made. It is terrible constantly worrying about this. If it was both sides, or one arm and one leg or something, I would feel a lot more reassurred. The persistent one limb symptom is what really gets me even if the cardinal symptoms of clinical weakness and atrophy are not there (I'm waiting for those of course, making myself crazy doing it).
The other thing is: can repetitive stress injury have anything to do with this: you read that there are so many different expressions of this concept and I have been a heavy computer user, esp mouse for years, as part of the job. I just can't get it to fit well with the way it started and gone on these last few months.
I would appreciate any comments/observations and I guess I feel it is my duty to tell you what the followup visits show. :confused:
 
Aremm,
I was thinking about you today (having read a couple of your old posts). I've had very similar symptoms (and more). Nothing that you put in here is concerning. After 3 EMGs, how can you even think about obsessing about this topic. Get on with the reading of your scans and put this behind you :---)
Best wishes.
 
PS : If your 1st DIO was really denervated (which you were worried about months back), you would not be able to flex metacarpophalangeal joints and extend interphalangeal joints. So no worries !!!!
 
Hello, "Bless you All" : So, nothing I've said is concerning you, you've overcome as much if not more! I take it we are talking PNH here: that it probably won't go away, could get worse, may or may not be a bit of a genuine nuisance, but won't kill us (unless it's a paraneoplastic syndrome, which would be rare unless we were at high risk for lung cancer, which I'm not). So OK, I'll still go to the als clinic, maybe embarass myself, but insist on some straight answers about what to expect. Your succinct points are most welcome. :unsure: :D)
 
Hello, "Bless you All" : So, nothing I've said is concerning you, you've overcome as much if not more! I take it we are talking PNH here: that it probably won't go away, could get worse, may or may not be a bit of a genuine nuisance, but won't kill us (unless it's a paraneoplastic syndrome, which would be rare unless we were at high risk for lung cancer, which I'm not). So OK, I'll still go to the als clinic, maybe embarass myself, but insist on some straight answers about what to expect. Your succinct points are most welcome. :unsure: :D)
 
Just a thought, have you ever had neck pain, whiplash, an accident or did you ever have x-ray or mri of your cervical discs? Wondering if you could have some disc bulging, crushed etc, that could be causing all this on one side. My hubby has tingling, pain sometimes weak feeling in his arm and hand and he has 2 crushed vertebrae in his neck. You would not know this otherwise except for when he says his arm hurts, he does not have constant neck pain etc.

If you have not already done so, maybe it's worth getting your neck checked out.
 
It could be either radiculopathy (as Diego4Life says) or ulnar neuropathy at the elbow. I have numbness, pain, and tingling in my ring finger and pinky as well as the pad below the pinky, wrist and elbow. I also have twitching in my finger flexor muscles and minor weakness (very minor, so far) in the intrinsic hand muscles. All of these areas are innervated by the ulnar nerve, which can be (mechanically) irritated. It's the second most common neuropathy after carpal tunnel, and is often not a repetitive stress injury. It can be caused by bad posture (neck angle during computer use, leaning on your elbows while typing and other times) and, unlike carpal tunnel, doesn't always include lots of pain. See my earlier post () for more info on ulnar neuropathy.

BTW, my neuro suspected radiculopathy at my first visit. EMG / NCV were normal, but it might have been too early to detect ulnar neuropathy (it can take a few weeks for nerve velocities to change in neuropathy, unlike ALS changes which are present when twitching occurs). At my followup, I plan to ask the neuro whether a spinal MRI would be a good idea.
 
To those of you wondering about a spinal cause, yes, I did have both a head and cervical MRI (being a radiologist makes this unfairly easy I guess). My C56 and C67 discs bulge slightly and at C56 just a bit asymmetrically on the right but really I would be very skeptical that this is significant, more like "average for a 49 y. o. adult" . There is of course little correlation between minor abnormalities on imaging studies and clinical findings, but there is no spinal stenosis, nerve root compression or obvious major finding. Maybe the slight (and I mean slight) indentation of the cord at C56 is relevant, I don't think any radiologist, neurologist or neurosurgeon would be too impressed.
I did have a head injury about 4 weeks before this started, crashing my bicycle at 12 mph into a parked car. The helmet saved my brain and the rather large-lens glasses I was wearing lacerated the outside of my right orbit but kind of protected the eye. The smaller-frame glasses I now wear probably would have directly impacted the eye. I suppose I could have stretched the brachial plexus since the right side of my face hit the back windshield, sort of hyperextending the right side of my neck, but I had no neck injury in terms of pain or other symptoms. Who knows? I did not have ulnar neuropathy at NCV, although I occ. wake up with ulnar nerve or median nerve tingling on either side, often with fasics, esp if it is ulnar, but it quickly goes away, leaving the chronic symptoms unchanged.
 
Aremm, despite your unremarkable Cspine MRI, my feeling is that the neck could still be the culprit. After the trauma you sustained in your cycle accident, I am not surprised.

As a chiropractor I see a good deal of people who have radicular symptoms and have 'nomal' MRI scans. Why not just go an see a chiropractor and see what they come up with? You may well be very surprised!

Also you are a doctor, you may not have specialised in neurology, BUT, I bet you know a heck of a lot about ALS by now? I am sure you have read all the research and studies done and the only thing that I can say is remind yourself of the Mayo Study. Clean EMG = NO ALS. I have read many posts on the Cleveland clinic forum and again , every neurologist that has been questioned about EMG missing early signs of ALS has said no, the EMG will always pick up some indication, even before symptoms are noticed by a patient. You know the disease process has to be in progress to get symptoms (which you have), so if there was a disease process present then the EMG would have picked up signs of it.

Diego4Life
 

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